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Clatter
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 Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:33 pm Post subject: Identifying OG Carpet |
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Mario at TMI is interested in continuing to refine the products they sell.
He is still there, but not active on this site anymore.
Looks like we might be pushing forward to make their products more correct.
Big shout out to someone helping to preserve these cars! 
Anyhow,
I *think* the carpets in my car are original, and wanted to show a few pics.
Hopefully, someone with a set of original, made-in-Germany-when-the-car-was-new carpets can verify what we are looking at.
First off, a view of my (Hopelessly rotten) main front carpet.
This for a '67..
I *think* this is original.. Please correct me if you know otherwise..
We have a vinyl 'wear patch' at the heel rest, and one at the side of the pedal cluster on the tunnel.
The pedals have molded vinyl trim around each of the three pedals.
(Mine being rotten - they were contiguous at one time.)
Lastly, and perhaps most important, there is a molded 'seam patch' at the middle front, there they have to attach the carpet back to itself.
It's larger as it goes over the tunnel, so the shorter front part, against the 'firewall' needs shortened, and re-attached together.
Looking closely at the wear patches near the pedals, they are made from the basket-weave (Square-weave?) material..
The molded 'seam patch' at the 'firewall'; this has four ribs.
AFAIK, this is lacking from the aftermarket carpet kits?
Carpet detail; loop pile, but the binding is vinyl, and not tucked under itself at the edges. 
Maybe this is an aftermarket carpet? Seems they might have done better.
Heater outlet grommets in the kick under the back seat; this also makes me wonder if this carpet set is OG.
Wasn't this area originally vinyl?
Any comments/input from someone who knows is most welcome.
Thanks!
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:06 pm Post subject: Re: Identifying OG Carpet |
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Off topic, but why did he stop coming around here?
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:09 am Post subject: Re: Identifying OG Carpet |
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| chaosisme wrote: |
| Off topic, but why did he stop coming around here? |
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Clatter
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:25 am Post subject: Re: Identifying OG Carpet |
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| chaosisme wrote: |
| Off topic, but why did he stop coming around here? |
He didn't really go into specifics,
But,
TMI is a business that survives by selling interior parts for cars.
A smart guy like Mario is likely to have more productive ways of spending company time than being logged on here.
Take my door panel and carpet kit project for example;
All it did was cost TMI money.
It's not like that suddenly now enough people who would have been forking large $ for a custom interior from Lenny Copp are now going to be getting a TMI interior, and the tooling for the upgrades will deliver an ROI.
Anybody who has ever owned their own business knows exactly why they got Mario off of here..! 
Good news for us, though, that he was for a while.. 
Maybe, just maybe, once they start making their door panels and carpet sets more accurately, a large number of people who wouldn't have bought new TMI stuff, will.
Maybe... 
Most of us here are far better at typing out some rant than opening up our wallets far enough to pay American craftsmen to do proper work..
I mean, come on.. At least ONE of you could at least bluff and type:
"I was going to replace my carpet on my Squareback, but because the TMI carpets weren't correct enough I never did.. Now that they make them right, I'm going to get a carpet set, and so are three of my friends",
A hero is doing battle for our cause here people.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:36 am Post subject: Re: Identifying OG Carpet |
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| Clatter wrote: |
| chaosisme wrote: |
| Off topic, but why did he stop coming around here? |
He didn't really go into specifics,
But,
TMI is a business that survives by selling interior parts for cars.
A smart guy like Mario is likely to have more productive ways of spending company time than being logged on here.
Take my door panel and carpet kit project for example;
All it did was cost TMI money.
It's not like that suddenly now enough people who would have been forking large $ for a custom interior from Lenny Copp are now going to be getting a TMI interior, and the tooling for the upgrades will deliver an ROI.
Anybody who has ever owned their own business knows exactly why they got Mario off of here..!
Good news for us, though, that he was for a while..
Maybe, just maybe, once they start making their door panels and carpet sets more accurately, a large number of people who wouldn't have bought new TMI stuff, will.
Maybe...
Most of us here are far better at typing out some rant than opening up our wallets far enough to pay American craftsmen to do proper work..
I mean, come on.. At least ONE of you could at least bluff and type:
"I was going to replace my carpet on my Squareback, but because the TMI carpets weren't correct enough I never did.. Now that they make them right, I'm going to get a carpet set, and so are three of my friends",
A hero is doing battle for our cause here people. |
I hope Mario didn't go underground after my carpet issue. I have to say Mario and TMI did me right and corrected my carpet after getting miss-aligned/miss-cut pieces. My sons 63 will be getting new TMI carpet because Mario right thing, reached out and made it right for me. Tells me a lot right there.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:46 am Post subject: Re: Identifying OG Carpet |
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by far it would not have been just the type 3 people. The bus people and bug people too
anybody see the thread about the dot pattern for bug and bus headliners...
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:11 am Post subject: Re: Identifying OG Carpet |
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Little minds discuss people
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Come on, guys, let's try to stay off of the bottom..
Have any of you (besides Everett) ever seen an original Type 3 carpet?
Maybe ONE of you actually has an OG carpet, and could take a few pics?
Please??
It's for the Greater Good!
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:29 am Post subject: Re: Identifying OG Carpet |
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a little pissy this morning? Damn
there are lots of pics of NOS carpet in the classifieds, gallery, google, etc.
the problem is going to be like every other part he had problems with. They changed all the time. Early cars have mats, not carpet, and even then those went through changes too
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 10:54 am Post subject: Re: Identifying OG Carpet |
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| My '70 auto's carpet looks identical to it without any rubber matts. You may be able to make it out behind the steering wheel in my thread. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 11:10 am Post subject: Re: Identifying OG Carpet |
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| Clatter wrote: |
Great minds discuss ideas
Average minds discuss events
Little minds discuss people
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Come on, guys, let's try to stay off of the bottom..
Have any of you (besides Everett) ever seen an original Type 3 carpet?
Maybe ONE of you actually has an OG carpet, and could take a few pics?
Please??
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I only asked because I was curious why he stopped coming around. I always enjoyed his posts.
As for pictures, Joanna from the Philippines has quite a bit of NOS carpet for sale, including some T3 carpet, you might try asking her for some high res pictures. If I remember correctly she had some early stuff too.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:33 am Post subject: Re: Identifying OG Carpet |
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That carpet is definitely OG.
The edging is quite basic on the carpet.
I have bought NOS carpet from Joanna in the Phillipines and it is identical to the carpet in my squareback. |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:45 am Post subject: Re: Identifying OG Carpet |
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This is NOS. Have almost all pieces for complete NOS set 66-67.
I think the biggest issue with TMI carpets is the way they are cut. If you compare several sets none of the pieces are exactly the same size. Have discussed this with TMI many years ago (before Mario) and at least then this was caused by stacking a pile of carpet and cutting the pattern with a band saw. |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:11 am Post subject: Re: Identifying OG Carpet |
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Somewhere in my garage I have an NOS front carpet piece in the factory blue box. I'll try and find it and shoot some photos. If I forget, PM me to spur my memory; I ain't getting any younger you know. . .
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:32 am Post subject: Re: Identifying OG Carpet |
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| Nate M. wrote: |
| Somewhere in my garage I have an NOS front carpet piece in the factory blue box. I'll try and find it and shoot some photos. If I forget, PM me to spur my memory; I ain't getting any younger you know. . . |
Done!
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:50 am Post subject: Re: Identifying OG Carpet |
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So far it looks like I have an OG carpet set here..! 
These will be going down to LA and used as patterns.
Some accurate 'master' patterns would likely go a long way towards making their stuff fit right/tight.
Things are looking up!
Any detail pics of different years' carpets will be looked at by them here on this thread.
If you have some details that you would like to see available, post 'em up ...
BIG thanks to Ev and Pelle for the pics.. Just what we need right now..
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: Identifying OG Carpet |
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| Your carpet looks exactly like the OG carpet still in my one-owner '71, at least in terms of the seams, joinery, pile, etc. |
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2016 8:08 am Post subject: Re: Identifying OG Carpet |
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Here's a few shots of the carpet I have. I have no idea what year it's for. While not what I would consider usable due to the staining and disintegrated loops in the stained areas, it'll work great as a pattern. At least the back edge is ugly and the front edge which really matters is pristine. I'll have it in the mail to you Clatter hopefully this week.
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The latest photo highlights the one difference I see... the clutch and brake pedal slots are parallel in the first photos, but angled in those immediately above. My OG are angled as well.
Looking more closely, I think I see the cut VW put between the two pedal slots in the top photos, which make it for an automatic. Still probably OG but not for a stick like the rest of the photos shown. |
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