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kbeefy Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:14 pm Post subject: Edgestar FP430 Schematic/Diagram |
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After 4+ years of amazing service (15k roadtrip miles, 120+ days on the road and 3 countries) my $275 scratch and dent Edgestar gave up during a 100* camping weekend at Mogfest.
I've been searching for anything better than the owners manual to troubleshoot with to no avail.
Does anyone have the wiring schematic or flowchart for this thing?
My Display works and temp reading is accurate, when powering up the fan will run for a brief period and then nothing.
It was running perfect for 3 days and then simply stopped cooling.
12v and 120v are the same. Since it died I have not been able to get the compressor to engage.
Any Hints?
Thanks! _________________ 86 syncro CHC, NorthWesty subbie 2.5, decoupler, locker, custom interior, 225/75r16 Duratrack's on CLK's, Toyo cabin heater, ARB fridge, 300w Zamp Solar, Gowesty bumpers/skid/rails, Fiama awning
'86 Syncro Westy. Stock for now.
2000 F350 7.3 CC LB 11' Northland Cabover
2006 Subbie OBXT
2002 Tacoma DoubleCab 4x4
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Timwhy Samba Member
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kbeefy Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:21 am Post subject: Re: Edgestar FP430 Schematic/Diagram |
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I think if the transformer was out it qould only work on 12v.
My display and fan work, but the compressor never kicks on. _________________ 86 syncro CHC, NorthWesty subbie 2.5, decoupler, locker, custom interior, 225/75r16 Duratrack's on CLK's, Toyo cabin heater, ARB fridge, 300w Zamp Solar, Gowesty bumpers/skid/rails, Fiama awning
'86 Syncro Westy. Stock for now.
2000 F350 7.3 CC LB 11' Northland Cabover
2006 Subbie OBXT
2002 Tacoma DoubleCab 4x4
1969 Mustang Basket Case 351c/FMX/9
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Timwhy Samba Member
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:55 am Post subject: Re: Edgestar FP430 Schematic/Diagram |
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I didn't watch the linked video (limited bandwidth here)
but how hard would it be to measure output of transformer?
If fridge doesn't work on 110VAC or 12 Volts, maybe this part is fried?
http://www.edgestar.com/Replacement-DC-Power-Suppl...lt,pd.html _________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
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MidwestDrifter Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Edgestar FP430 Schematic/Diagram |
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The way I see it you have 2 possible problems. One is that your compressor has bit the dust. It is likely a sealed unit, and is not serviceable.
The other is that your control unit or driver circuitry is broken/failed.
If possible, can you get a VOM on the compressor power wires? They should be fairly obvious. If it doesn't have power, you need to investigate the control unit.
If this unit uses a danfoss/secop compressor, there will be a compressor control unit (square plastic box) mounted to the side of the compressor. This unit will power the compressor with 2 wires connected to terminals on the compressor body. This control unit is separate from the thermostat and buttons you would use to set the fridges temp.
Here is some videos on repairing the fridge. The compressors are usually robust, so the power supply and control unit are the primary suspects.
http://www.edgestar.com/Edgestar-Refrigerators-Sup...lt,pg.html _________________ 2004 Dodge/Mercedes Sprinter (Custom Camper)
2000 Jetta TDI
1982 Diesel Westy W/ ABA I4 hybrid (Sold)
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kbeefy Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: Edgestar FP430 Schematic/Diagram |
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I can get some volt readings, I was hoping there was a schematic or diagram to help speed things up.
I'll likely check it out tonight and post back with any findings.
$188 for a controller, thats more than half what I paid for the whole fridge... _________________ 86 syncro CHC, NorthWesty subbie 2.5, decoupler, locker, custom interior, 225/75r16 Duratrack's on CLK's, Toyo cabin heater, ARB fridge, 300w Zamp Solar, Gowesty bumpers/skid/rails, Fiama awning
'86 Syncro Westy. Stock for now.
2000 F350 7.3 CC LB 11' Northland Cabover
2006 Subbie OBXT
2002 Tacoma DoubleCab 4x4
1969 Mustang Basket Case 351c/FMX/9
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MidwestDrifter Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:58 pm Post subject: Re: Edgestar FP430 Schematic/Diagram |
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You might try contacting their warranty service. Even if its out of warranty, they might be able to provide some repair documentation. Sometimes there will be a schematic mounted in the compressor compartment, taped to a panel or something? _________________ 2004 Dodge/Mercedes Sprinter (Custom Camper)
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greebly Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 2:19 pm Post subject: Re: Edgestar FP430 Schematic/Diagram |
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Sadly the paradigm today is disposal and replacement. |
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ledogboy Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: Edgestar FP430 Schematic/Diagram |
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greebly wrote: |
Sadly the paradigm today is disposal and replacement. |
Which is why those of us who loathe that paradigm have had to learn to hack into all of the stuff we want to keep working! _________________ 1986 Westy Weekender
Now a full camper
1.8t Syncro conversion
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kbeefy Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: Edgestar FP430 Schematic/Diagram |
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So, I went to check it out today and when I plugged it in, The compressor kicked in and it started cooling!
Whoopee!
Nope... To soon. Only ran about 5 minutes then cut out, the fan comes on for a couple seconds every 2 minutes or so but the compressor is quiet. _________________ 86 syncro CHC, NorthWesty subbie 2.5, decoupler, locker, custom interior, 225/75r16 Duratrack's on CLK's, Toyo cabin heater, ARB fridge, 300w Zamp Solar, Gowesty bumpers/skid/rails, Fiama awning
'86 Syncro Westy. Stock for now.
2000 F350 7.3 CC LB 11' Northland Cabover
2006 Subbie OBXT
2002 Tacoma DoubleCab 4x4
1969 Mustang Basket Case 351c/FMX/9
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kbeefy Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:12 pm Post subject: Re: Edgestar FP430 Schematic/Diagram |
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Turns out there is a very rudamentary diagram on the back of the fridge. _________________ 86 syncro CHC, NorthWesty subbie 2.5, decoupler, locker, custom interior, 225/75r16 Duratrack's on CLK's, Toyo cabin heater, ARB fridge, 300w Zamp Solar, Gowesty bumpers/skid/rails, Fiama awning
'86 Syncro Westy. Stock for now.
2000 F350 7.3 CC LB 11' Northland Cabover
2006 Subbie OBXT
2002 Tacoma DoubleCab 4x4
1969 Mustang Basket Case 351c/FMX/9
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kbeefy Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: Edgestar FP430 Schematic/Diagram |
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I pulled everything apart, Opened the Compressor controller and everything seems to be intact, no evidence of things burning up.
I tried Jumping power from a 12v cordless tool battery to the compressor with almost no luck. It wimpered a bit but nothing happened. It has a three wire connector, I think it's Ground, Run and Start. I believe they're all DC, but unsure as to what voltake should be there.
I tried hooking everything back up except the Compressor and looking for voltage at the connector for the compressor, but only saw a very brief 5v-ish spike for a moment a couple seconds after energizing the system. A DMM isn't the best for watching voltage change, and I don't have an analog model or a scope.
At this point I can't say for sure if it's the compressor or controller. If I could make the compressor turn I'd just buy a controller and give it a shot. I found one for $144 on Living Direct. _________________ 86 syncro CHC, NorthWesty subbie 2.5, decoupler, locker, custom interior, 225/75r16 Duratrack's on CLK's, Toyo cabin heater, ARB fridge, 300w Zamp Solar, Gowesty bumpers/skid/rails, Fiama awning
'86 Syncro Westy. Stock for now.
2000 F350 7.3 CC LB 11' Northland Cabover
2006 Subbie OBXT
2002 Tacoma DoubleCab 4x4
1969 Mustang Basket Case 351c/FMX/9
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newfisher Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: Edgestar FP430 Schematic/Diagram |
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Have you plugged it into 120v and also tried eliminating the 12v cig lighter male end? I have fixed 2 folks edgestars by eliminating the end and wiring direct to a fused 12v source. |
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Farf Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: Edgestar FP430 Schematic/Diagram |
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You can check your compressor with your ohm meter as shown in the link below. I think it will only tell you if the motor windings are in spec. But it is a good place to start.
https://www.google.com/url?q=http://fergusonhvacch...h3oOIy7wyg |
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jmranger Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: Edgestar FP430 Schematic/Diagram |
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kbeefy wrote: |
I think it's Ground, Run and Start. I believe they're all DC, but unsure as to what voltake should be there. |
Based on the rough schematics above with the U/V/W markings, this is a 3-phase AC motor. See http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/195185 |
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: Edgestar FP430 Schematic/Diagram |
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beefy wrote: |
At this point I can't say for sure if it's the compressor or controller. If I could make the compressor turn I'd just buy a controller and give it a shot. I found one for $144 on Living Direct. |
When I was googling for the diagram, got a lot of hits at expeditionportal
mod thread but to show website
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/47802-Edgestar-Fridge-Modifications-Thread
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kbeefy Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: Edgestar FP430 Schematic/Diagram |
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I read thru about half that the other day, I like the holddown and baffling for the condenser.
I keep meaning to add an interior light and something to hold the lid open to mine. _________________ 86 syncro CHC, NorthWesty subbie 2.5, decoupler, locker, custom interior, 225/75r16 Duratrack's on CLK's, Toyo cabin heater, ARB fridge, 300w Zamp Solar, Gowesty bumpers/skid/rails, Fiama awning
'86 Syncro Westy. Stock for now.
2000 F350 7.3 CC LB 11' Northland Cabover
2006 Subbie OBXT
2002 Tacoma DoubleCab 4x4
1969 Mustang Basket Case 351c/FMX/9
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kbeefy Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:25 pm Post subject: Re: Edgestar FP430 Schematic/Diagram |
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Thats a handy explanation, Thanks!
I have already checked resistance, I know at least 2 legs measured out to 1.5 Ohms, maybe all of them. I can recheck to verify now that I know they should all be equal. All of them were insulated from ground. _________________ 86 syncro CHC, NorthWesty subbie 2.5, decoupler, locker, custom interior, 225/75r16 Duratrack's on CLK's, Toyo cabin heater, ARB fridge, 300w Zamp Solar, Gowesty bumpers/skid/rails, Fiama awning
'86 Syncro Westy. Stock for now.
2000 F350 7.3 CC LB 11' Northland Cabover
2006 Subbie OBXT
2002 Tacoma DoubleCab 4x4
1969 Mustang Basket Case 351c/FMX/9
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kbeefy Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:26 pm Post subject: Re: Edgestar FP430 Schematic/Diagram |
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newfisher wrote: |
Have you plugged it into 120v and also tried eliminating the 12v cig lighter male end? I have fixed 2 folks edgestars by eliminating the end and wiring direct to a fused 12v source. |
Already wired direct, no cig adapter.
Behavior is the same on AC as DC. _________________ 86 syncro CHC, NorthWesty subbie 2.5, decoupler, locker, custom interior, 225/75r16 Duratrack's on CLK's, Toyo cabin heater, ARB fridge, 300w Zamp Solar, Gowesty bumpers/skid/rails, Fiama awning
'86 Syncro Westy. Stock for now.
2000 F350 7.3 CC LB 11' Northland Cabover
2006 Subbie OBXT
2002 Tacoma DoubleCab 4x4
1969 Mustang Basket Case 351c/FMX/9
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