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skills@eurocarsplus
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 Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 8:06 pm Post subject: seat spring boing! |
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I am going out of my skull here....
so, when I did my bus like the good do it right 'merican I am, I sand blasted all my frames
I had to switch some springs out as some were cracked. I surgically removed some from a donor seat and put them all back, re crimped all of the retainers and have been plagued with 1 spring that for whatever reason tends to walk and give the next spring over a kiss.
it's driving me batshit crazy. anyone else have this issue? what's the fix? I am thinking of taking the whole flippin seat back apart and try a couple of different springs on that row. I know, it's petty, but that is my biggest problem at the moment....
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Xevin 
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| Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 9:52 pm Post subject: Re: seat spring boing! |
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Just spitballing skills. Could the springs from the donor be bit fatigued or vise versa causing it to be flimsy?
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Tom Powell
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| Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:28 pm Post subject: Re: seat spring boing! |
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Gary would probably use safety wire on both sides to keep it in place.
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airschooled
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| Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 11:41 pm Post subject: Re: seat spring boing! |
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I dealt with a squeaker in an otherwise quiet bus last year; I feel your pain. Which seat? Do you know if the upholstery is reusable? My custom jobbies are sewn on so tight I'm not sure how the stock upholstery holds up to repeated installation attempts. (My driver's seat squeak was accessible with a pick with wheel bearing grease, and has been silent for five thousand miles. This was my hack attempt because I can't get my seat covers off cleanly.)
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skills@eurocarsplus
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| Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 5:33 am Post subject: Re: seat spring boing! |
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| Xevin wrote: |
| Just spitballing skills. Could the springs from the donor be bit fatigued or vise versa causing it to be flimsy? |
I guess anything is possible. I stole the springs from the inner (aisle side) of a passenger seat. thought was they would be the least worn
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I dealt with a squeaker in an otherwise quiet bus last year; I feel your pain. Which seat? Do you know if the upholstery is reusable? My custom jobbies are sewn on so tight I'm not sure how the stock upholstery holds up to repeated installation attempts. (My driver's seat squeak was accessible with a pick with wheel bearing grease, and has been silent for five thousand miles. This was my hack attempt because I can't get my seat covers off cleanly.)
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I don't know how much more the TMI covers can take. it's the drivers seat, so it's extra annoying.
TP, good idea. I can try it for sure. the problem is 2 coils are just barely touching. when they do, one goes over the top of the other one and give a sound much like racking a shotgun, with a cartoon BOING!
come to think of it, I almost wonder if I could figure a way to perhaps zip tie a thin sheet of plastic (like a cut open milk jug) so the springs slide past each other. I will try and post some photos of what I am dealing with
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iratehippie
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| Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:46 am Post subject: Re: seat spring boing! |
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I've used chicken wire fence, for seat support. I've wired it down onto the seat springs. Put padding over and check for fit, etc. (small mesh/holes is good) peace
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Tom Powell
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| Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:10 am Post subject: Re: seat spring boing! |
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| skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
... TP, good idea. I can try it for sure. the problem is 2 coils are just barely touching. when they do, one goes over the top of the other one and give a sound much like racking a shotgun, with a cartoon BOING!
come to think of it, I almost wonder if I could figure a way to perhaps zip tie a thin sheet of plastic (like a cut open milk jug) so the springs slide past each other. I will try and post some photos of what I am dealing with |
I know that you can buy sheet teflon, but it is probably expensive and difficult to find. I think that the sheet plastic cutting board material would be a good solution.
http://www.kitchendance.com/flcush.html
This stuff should be available in any local kitchen-hardware store section.
Aloha
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SGKent
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Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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| Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:31 am Post subject: Re: seat spring boing! |
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[quote="skills@eurocarsplus]it's the drivers seat, so it's extra annoying.[/quote]
Maybe you could try this solution and drive from the middle seat?
Link
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secretsubmariner
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| Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: seat spring boing! |
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Skills, have you tried a flatulent, lubricating shart, directly applied to the suspiciously sneaky squeaker of a spring?
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skills@eurocarsplus
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| Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 1:24 pm Post subject: Re: seat spring boing! |
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| secretsubmariner wrote: |
| Skills, have you tried a flatulent, lubricating shart, directly applied to the suspiciously sneaky squeaker of a spring? |
I have. I have also used anti monkey butt on super hot days to the point of having it turn into pancake batter and applying said batter to the offending spring.
the shart by far worked the best, but I couldn't take the fly's and maggots
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
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| Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
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| Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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Tom Powell
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| Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 1:33 pm Post subject: Re: seat spring boing! |
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| skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
| ... the shart by far worked the best, but I couldn't take the fly's and maggots |
Yes the flies and maggots get itchy and it's hard to scratch when you are sitting down and driving.
What did you think of the plastic cutting board between the springs idea?
Aloha
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skills@eurocarsplus
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| Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: seat spring boing! |
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that may work. I will pop the seat out and see what I can do. it may be a bit too thick...
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
| Jake Raby wrote: |
| Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
| Brian wrote: |
| Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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Tom Powell
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| Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: seat spring boing! |
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| skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
| that may work. I will pop the seat out and see what I can do. it may be a bit too thick... |
The thin plastic cutting board/cutting sheet:
http://www.kitchendance.com/flcush.html
should be available in many stores
Aloha
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skills@eurocarsplus
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| Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 7:20 pm Post subject: Re: seat spring boing! |
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well, I have an embarrassing amount of time into this.....
turns out there was some spring migration....I think. long story short, I have a semi collapsed spring, and basically have coil bind 
sadly, I pitched my donor frame. so the short term solution was to go and side a couple pieces of foam in between the coils.
the real heartbreaker is that I will have to skin the seat back to the frame, which isn't a big deal BUT I don't think that the seat cover will survive it.
I do appreciate the ideas.
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
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| Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
| Brian wrote: |
| Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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alaskadan
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| Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:22 pm Post subject: Re: seat spring boing! |
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| Hey Skils, in the upholstery world when i build a spring seat base i tie the springs in place with jute cord using clove hitch knots. This achieves two things, it keeps the springs from walking around and sets their height. Essentially start on one side of the base with a knot and every time you cross a spring tie it with a clove hitch until you get to the other side . It will be impossible for any walking to occur. |
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alaskadan
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| Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: seat spring boing! |
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| Hey Skils, in the upholstery world when i build a spring seat base i tie the springs in place with jute cord using clove hitch knots. This achieves two things, it keeps the springs from walking around and sets their height. Essentially start on one side of the base with a knot and every time you cross a spring tie it with a clove hitch until you get to the other side . It will be impossible for any walking to occur. |
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TomWesty
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| Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:42 pm Post subject: Re: seat spring boing! |
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| alaskadan wrote: |
| Hey Skils, in the upholstery world when i build a spring seat base i tie the springs in place with jute cord using clove hitch knots. This achieves two things, it keeps the springs from walking around and sets their height. Essentially start on one side of the base with a knot and every time you cross a spring tie it with a clove hitch until you get to the other side . It will be impossible for any walking to occur. |
Brilliant! I've seen that done before and wondered about it's purpose.
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skills@eurocarsplus
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:21 am Post subject: Re: seat spring boing! |
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| TomWesty wrote: |
| alaskadan wrote: |
| Hey Skils, in the upholstery world when i build a spring seat base i tie the springs in place with jute cord using clove hitch knots. This achieves two things, it keeps the springs from walking around and sets their height. Essentially start on one side of the base with a knot and every time you cross a spring tie it with a clove hitch until you get to the other side . It will be impossible for any walking to occur. |
Brilliant! I've seen that done before and wondered about it's purpose. |
interesting.....
I would have figured the OE configuration to be adequate. it seems the spring simply collapsed as it's not coiled properly. I solved the noise for now, and will hunt down another seat frame for donor parts
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
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| Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
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| Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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nathansnathan
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 8:22 am Post subject: Re: seat spring boing! |
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I remember there being not only a lot of hog rings but also like sheet metal "extruded hog rings" holding the springs together. They can't move around when they're all holding each other together that way. It seems like that's what you're missing?
Some type 3 seats here showing some non standard double ended hog rings and the sheet metal ones
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mikedjames
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 11:06 am Post subject: Re: seat spring boing! |
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I have welded up broken seat springs . The best way is to get some upholstery Z springs which come in various lengths. Chop a section off the Z spring and overlap the break with the section. Weld it to the broken spring away from the break to avoid putting welds in the stressed position.
I also used the Z spring to totally replace some of the "folded" springs at the front of the seat. It can be bent quite readily and then holds its shape.
My passenger seat had totally collapsed and springs were poking through. The rebuild is holding up.
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