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kooper271 Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2016 Posts: 337 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:05 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 2.0L Engine Rebuild |
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Tcash,
I found the issue. Something inside the switch is shorting. When the switch is installed loosely with no screws, it works fine. As soon as any pressure is applied, it shorts.
No wires are broken or missing insulation so it seems like its time for a new switch |
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 2.0L Engine Rebuild |
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On the Late 74-79 turn signal switches. The white plastic piece breaks and the return spring can float around in the switch.
Broken plastic piece
Good plastic piece
L74-79 Turn signal switch prt# 211 953 513 K
When you install the turn swtch be sure to adjust the clearance.
Good luck
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kooper271 Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2016 Posts: 337 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 2.0L Engine Rebuild |
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Thanks Tcash. My switch wasn't broken there and I couldn't figure out where it was shorting so I ordered a new one.
My brake lights work, and my tail lights work. But when the tail lights are on, and I hit the brakes, the lights don't get any brighter. Should they? |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51126 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:41 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 2.0L Engine Rebuild |
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kooper271 wrote: |
My brake lights work, and my tail lights work. But when the tail lights are on, and I hit the brakes, the lights don't get any brighter. Should they? |
Yes they should, time to clean and resecure the ground wires and clean out the bulb sockets. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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kooper271 Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2016 Posts: 337 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:07 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 2.0L Engine Rebuild |
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busdaddy wrote: |
kooper271 wrote: |
My brake lights work, and my tail lights work. But when the tail lights are on, and I hit the brakes, the lights don't get any brighter. Should they? |
Yes they should, time to clean and resecure the ground wires and clean out the bulb sockets. |
New bulb sockets and bulbs, new ground wires, cleaned the body grounds and still have the same issue |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:22 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 2.0L Engine Rebuild |
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without re-reading 12 pages, make sure that the top on the hazard switch isn't coming off. They almost all do and cause all sorts of bizarre turn signal behaviors as well as blown fuses. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51126 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:39 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 2.0L Engine Rebuild |
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kooper271 wrote: |
busdaddy wrote: |
kooper271 wrote: |
My brake lights work, and my tail lights work. But when the tail lights are on, and I hit the brakes, the lights don't get any brighter. Should they? |
Yes they should, time to clean and resecure the ground wires and clean out the bulb sockets. |
New bulb sockets and bulbs, new ground wires, cleaned the body grounds and still have the same issue |
Then swap the brake and tail wires at the bulb, if they are on the wrong terminals the dim (tail) filament in the bulbs is acting as the brake light, you'll never see it unless you remove the lens and look real close.
When holding the brakes so the brake lights are on do they get brighter when you also turn on the parking lights? _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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kooper271 Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2016 Posts: 337 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:51 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 2.0L Engine Rebuild |
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Thanks Sgkent it is loose so I will replace or repair it.
Busdaddy switching the wires at the terminals seems like a good place to start. Not sure on if i hold the brakes and and turn the lights on, i will check.
I took the bus out for the first drive tonight. Things didnt go all too great. Brakes are dragging and i got an occasional grinding going into second. Third and fourth were nonexistant. I replaced all of the bushings and stuff inside the nosecone along with the pilot bearing, throwout bearing, clutch etc. Think my shifter needs adjusted. Thoughts? |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51126 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 2.0L Engine Rebuild |
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Shifter adjustment should fix the missing 3/4 issue, but the grinding may just be a bad transmission, how much freeplay do you have on the clutch pedal? _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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kooper271 Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2016 Posts: 337 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:19 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 2.0L Engine Rebuild |
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busdaddy wrote: |
Shifter adjustment should fix the missing 3/4 issue, but the grinding may just be a bad transmission, how much freeplay do you have on the clutch pedal? |
About 1" of freeplay. Not sure it is necessary to clarify or not but I can't get into second at all when the grinding occurs. It probably occurs on 30%-50% of shifts into second (short test drive). |
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50338
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:21 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 2.0L Engine Rebuild |
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What oil do you have in the transmission? These things need fairly thin oil, like an 80 wt or 75w90. |
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kooper271 Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2016 Posts: 337 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:54 am Post subject: Re: Type 4 2.0L Engine Rebuild |
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Wildthings wrote: |
What oil do you have in the transmission? These things need fairly thin oil, like an 80 wt or 75w90. |
I have 75w90 in it |
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kooper271 Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2016 Posts: 337 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:40 am Post subject: Re: Type 4 2.0L Engine Rebuild |
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The brakes may be the backing plate rubbing. Luckily a relevant thread was brought up yesterday so I can check |
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50338
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 5:14 am Post subject: Re: Type 4 2.0L Engine Rebuild |
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Some brake drag is normal, especially when the rotors and drums are rusty from sitting. |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:12 am Post subject: Re: Type 4 2.0L Engine Rebuild |
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do not use GL5 or synthetic oil in the trans. If the synchros are moly coated by the factory, or the rebuilder uses them for better shifting, they will slip so bad the trans will need to be rebuilt again. GL4 only. Stalube GL4 is easily available at NAPA stores. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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kooper271 Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2016 Posts: 337 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:34 am Post subject: Re: Type 4 2.0L Engine Rebuild |
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Wildthings wrote: |
Some brake drag is normal, especially when the rotors and drums are rusty from sitting. |
Maybe, but it seems way too loud of a rubbing/grinding to be just brake drag...
SGKent wrote: |
do not use GL5 or synthetic oil in the trans. If the synchros are moly coated by the factory, or the rebuilder uses them for better shifting, they will slip so bad the trans will need to be rebuilt again. GL4 only. Stalube GL4 is easily available at NAPA stores. |
I used stalube GL4. Did a lot of reading before I picked it. |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:51 am Post subject: Re: Type 4 2.0L Engine Rebuild |
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if the backing plates were replaced the drum is rubbing on the new backing plates. The drum can be machined, or the later wider spacer can be used by going into the hub and servicing it at the same time. Some folks are building shims but I do not recommend it for fear they may work and loosen. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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kooper271 Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2016 Posts: 337 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:11 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 2.0L Engine Rebuild |
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SGKent wrote: |
if the backing plates were replaced the drum is rubbing on the new backing plates. The drum can be machined, or the later wider spacer can be used by going into the hub and servicing it at the same time. Some folks are building shims but I do not recommend it for fear they may work and loosen. |
I found where the drum was rubbing on the backing plate. I removed some material from the lip and the rubbing is gone.
Thanks! |
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kooper271 Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2016 Posts: 337 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:18 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 2.0L Engine Rebuild |
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My alternator isn't functioning right
I read ~12 volts at the battery.
I checked the voltage at the lug on the alternator and got readings at about 27 volts.
That's ridiculously high. I also obviously have an issue in the wire from the alternator to the starter to not get any voltage to the battery.
Why do you think i have such high voltage? Bad regulator? Checked and rechecked all of my grounds |
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:43 pm Post subject: Re: Type 4 2.0L Engine Rebuild |
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kooper271 wrote: |
That's ridiculously high. I also obviously have an issue in the wire from the alternator to the starter to not get any voltage to the battery.
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Fix this and retest. |
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