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TinCanFab
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 Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: They're NEVER really ever finished!... 58 rag build |
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Yeah Pete, it's every bit as involved as an engine build. High performance upgrades take just as much skill and experience to learn also. Sure, they don't have the same kind of issues with overheating, break in, etc. but they can leave you stranded over the most basic thing just like an engine. With an engine, at least you can run it on a stand to double check your work. With a tranny you have to put it in a car to actually see if it will work properly.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:15 pm Post subject: Re: They're NEVER really ever finished!... 58 rag build |
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I needed to order a few things from Weddle so I decided to check the fulcrum plate fit. If the axle pops into place really easily and you can stick a .010" feeler gauge in place, they are shot. Mine were chipped and gouged up, but they weren't that nice many years ago when I first put them in. I'm much more picky about this stuff nowadays. I'm not touching this stuff again until the tranny is worn out. 2 years ago I got a full set for my truck for less than $25. Now, they are over $10 a piece! Ouch.... But I want to do it right
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: They're NEVER really ever finished!... 58 rag build |
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Gearbox is ready to go. The last change I made is this mainshaft thrust plate from Weddle. A great upgrade for $12, it keeps mainshaft movement in check once it's sandwiched between the nosecone. You need to machine the nosecone's gasket surface to remove .040" to make up for the added thickness of the plate. Once the machine shop is done, I can paint and install axles.
For the early shafts with nuts instead of snap rings, you have to grind back two tabs on the plate to clear on the pinion bearing hole. It's not hard, but all these little steps are time consuming. This is more of a long life modification than an all out performance thing. Since I'm just cruising a pumped up 40hp for normal driving, I didn't feel the need for super diff, side covers, etc.
This will be the 4th different engine size I've had in the car, and it's the smallest. 1641, 1776, 2017 all with a 4.12 ring gear. It's a little wierd going to 1285 with a 4.37, but I'm excited about it because I get to freestyle the engine build to drive like a super stocker.
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TinCanFab
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:52 am Post subject: Re: They're NEVER really ever finished!... 58 rag build |
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Here are the new style fulcrum plates. The manual says that grooves indicate that it's oversized for worn axles and side gears. I'm not sure if that's the case, because I've never measured a NOS plain one. I do know that every time I install these the fit is perfect.
New WW mounts and hardware. I also installed an axle tube retainer kit that off-road guys use to reinforce the mounting flange to the trans case. I'm not going to drive the car hard, but I like how the plates keep you from putting dimples in the flange and causing leaks.
Another cool trick..... Wire the axle in place so there's no way the fulcrum plates can slip loose before you have a chance to put an axle nut on. In this case, it works perfect because I need to go get a different set of bearing caps. A long time ago, I installed the early ones that don't have the "oil slinger" built in.
My modified "mid mount". It was originally a 2 piece mount that wasn't tall enough to fit later trans with bus nosecone to an early pan. Now it is 3 piece. Cheap urethane pads with built in stud were changed to rubber motor mounts from a 55 Chevy. Now, you can preload the pad against the frame horn using a long set screw I made with a washer welded to the top of it. Basically, it works just like when you adjust your valves. Turn the screw untill the rubber is snug, then tighten the lock nut. My favorite thing about it is no long hardware hanging down under a lowered car. I didn't really need to install this, but I had it lying around for many years when I first tried to use it with the old turbo engine. With the supercharged 40, it might make the same torque as a 1776-1915, so I feel it's a worthwhile upgrade.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: They're NEVER really ever finished!... 58 rag build |
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Locally, I picked up a set of "373" square boss heads. My plan is to send them out to Brothers and have them freshened up with stainless valves, heavy duty springs, retainers and spark plug holes welded up and converted to 3/4" reach. One hole already has an insert in anyway, other than that they look really nice. I've never had a spark plug blow out, and I don't plan on it with boost.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:37 am Post subject: Re: They're NEVER really ever finished!... 58 rag build |
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I'll be bouncing back and forth between metal/bodywork while I round up parts and machining for the engine. Once I pulled the engine vents back into shape, a small crack formed at the PO dent puller hole. It's really small, but the crack went into the old repair. I felt it needed to be redone completely at this point so it will hold up after paint. The crack was ground out and all braze material removed.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: They're NEVER really ever finished!... 58 rag build |
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Since I now have all my core parts on hand, it's time to get the case machined and rotating assembly ready. After mixing and matching piston wrist pins, I found one piston is still 5 grams lighter than the heaviest one. Number 4 is the light one, you can see what they looked like before balancing. I chose to remove material around the heavy double lip at the bottom end. They are NOS 77mm from Australia.
Obviously, if running forced induction, strength is a priority. I didn't want to touch the pin, boss or anything near the piston top or ring lands. They are all within .5 grams now. It's amazing that a gram is around the weight of a paperclip, but in cast aluminum that's a lot to remove!
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: They're NEVER really ever finished!... 58 rag build |
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Finally after many years I'm going to tidy up the apron fit. I like the removable apron from the old turbo engine days, no risk beating it up after paint and engine installs. I used the later model repro apron so I didn't hack a huge hole in the OG H pattern for the turbo exhaust pipe. It's a lot of work getting it to look better. The shape and curves are WAY off.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 3:45 pm Post subject: Re: They're NEVER really ever finished!... 58 rag build |
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Looks good man. I've had to do the same kind of patches on my car. Thinking of doing the vert louvers in my decklid too.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: They're NEVER really ever finished!... 58 rag build |
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| Looks good man. I've had to do the same kind of patches on my car. Thinking of doing the vert louvers in my decklid too. |
Thanks. My biggest reason for doing the vents is radiant heat from the blower. It gets up to 110+ degrees in the summer and I'm trying to avoid paint blisters from heating the back side of the decklid. I won't have to run stand offs or tennis ball trick for airflow either, so it seemed like a no brainer.
Fixed the apron gap on the passenger side. You can see I removed the channels for the rubber seal on the body. They were kind of chewed up and too short now. WW has new ones for $9. Not going to cheap out and leave big open sections in the rubber seal.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: They're NEVER really ever finished!... 58 rag build |
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Still chasing down apron/decklid fit issues. Here you can see the left side weatherstrip channel fits nice and close to the center stamping.
Right side was welded in waaaay crooked at the factory. Almost a 1/2" off and would not let the decklid sit flush. Pathetic. It would make more sense if the whole thing was a little off, but only one side?
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