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djkeev Samba Moderator
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djkeev Samba Moderator
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Ahwahnee Samba Member
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djkeev Samba Moderator
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eeebee Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:02 am Post subject: Re: After Market Cruise Control 2016 |
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Good topic Dave. I have been contemplating cruise control for a while. I've probably read all the same topics you have. My installation wouldn't be quite stock since i appear to have a dealer installed aftermarket unit. _________________ Eric
1987 Vanagon Wolfsburg Special Edition
GoWesty 2.3
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djkeev Samba Moderator
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OddN Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2010 Posts: 690 Location: Northern Norway
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:11 am Post subject: Re: After Market Cruise Control 2016 |
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Im in the process of retrofitting an original cruise control to my automatic 112i Caravelle.
I like the fact that it is original, but if an aftermarket system could be made to work with the original stalk, I would be happy with that as well.
So, what exactly are the cons of the original system? Being used in so many different VW and Audi cars of that era, I would think the used parts supply would be sufficient for still some time. But if it has drawbacks worth replacing with an aftermarket system, I would very much like to read about it now.
So far I have only fitted the stalk, so not too late to walk a different path yet. _________________ 1991 VW Multivan syncro 1,9 TD |
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Ahwahnee Samba Member
Joined: June 05, 2010 Posts: 9776 Location: Mt Lemmon, AZ
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:39 am Post subject: Re: After Market Cruise Control 2016 |
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djkeev wrote: |
...I am drawn by the Murphs reproduction for it is old school proven by time technology.
I like the price.
But, the "you buy it, you own it, we don't offer any support for it" repels me.
It's old school rubber diaphrams that rot, modern rubber sucks big time! |
My servo unit has been in the engine compartment the whole time - a hostile environment but still works so no diaphragm failure yet. Lower right corner:
Here is my review of the new unit I installed on a car in January:
https://www.amazon.com/review/R1RMYZJ9KLZB0D/ref=pe_1098610_137716200_cm_rv_eml_rv0_rv
That Amazon unit came from a motorcycle parts place (Motogroup) so it is quite possibly the same unit Murphs' sells. It was not a real Audiovox but rather in a generic white box -- but the hardware bits were identical to the 1984 Audiovox version.
The main issue vis a vis support & manuals is that every installation is different and it is really down to the installer to figure out the best was to do things.
As I recall the manual I got for the recent install included the option of connecting to an accelerator pedal though (to me) the engine bay still makes more sense.
My installations use magnets on the CV - easy and dependable. One possible drawback is that I have never got the cut-out to work that would disable the unit if you depress the clutch while driving along with the cruise on. My solution is that I simply do not do that - not difficult as it isn't something I would naturally do in a cruise situation anyway. |
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djkeev Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007 Posts: 32433 Location: Reading Pennsylvania
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: After Market Cruise Control 2016 |
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Thanks for the input!!!
Here is another thought, I have an automatic transmission.
On an Automatic the throttle cable stops at the transmission and is connected to a lever.
This lever is connected to a solid metal rod to the throttle body.
While at full throttle, if fully depress the gas pedal just a tad more than full throttle, depending upon your speed you activate the transmission kick down feature.
There is a spring at the throttle body that "sucks up" this extra kick down movement and it is adjustable by rotating a threaded rod in the end of the accelerator rod.
I wouldn't think that a cruise cable hooked up to the throttle body would activate AT kick down?
The Automatic throttle assembly from pedal to throttle body ...
A close up of the linkage at the AT.....
This is where GoWesty must fasten their cruise at the gas pedal?
How the bar from the AT fastens to the throttle body.....
Dave _________________ Stop Dead Photo Links how to post photos
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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=392473
Vanagon
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6315537#6315537
Beetle
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=482968&highlight=74+super+vert
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Paulbeard Samba Member
Joined: July 10, 2015 Posts: 2604 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: After Market Cruise Control 2016 |
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Bookmarking this. I find holding a steady speed on the highway to be a chore so I'm curious how well these work and how hard they are to retrofit, if one will work on a TiiCo swap (do I look for a unit that would have been installed on a 90s Jetta, whence the heart and soul of my rig came?). _________________ Currently -> Frida: 87 Tizian Red (mostly) Vanagon GL Westfalia w/ 2.0L ABA conversion
Formerly -> Steward of a 73 Super Beetle (Beater) and 67 Beetle 1300 (Little Max) both names by POs
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minnisp Samba Member
Joined: March 26, 2016 Posts: 58 Location: 70121
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: After Market Cruise Control Stock Engines 2016 |
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I'm saving up for the gowesty cruise. it's kind of expensive. I used a rostra cruise unit from the junkyard in my 1984 mighty max. That works pretty well it gets the job done. I had to design a dual pedal cruise disengage switch since the junkyard kit was for automatic (one pedal disengage). I used relays to take input from both pedal switches to supply the disengage signal to the rostra control unit.
I have a cruise stalk for my 89 tintop and the gowesty will work with that. There was a thread here talking about the gowesty unit. They commented that its well thought out and a nice kit with all the pieces and all up front. But some said that the gowesty attachment to the pedal linkage is really hard to get at. Cruise is worth it to me my leg and knee start hurting after hours of pedal management. So much nicer to be able to shift positions to stay comfortable. Maybe with recaro seats i wouldn't need cruise _________________ 1989 GL 2.1 WBX Manual |
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djkeev Samba Moderator
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minnisp Samba Member
Joined: March 26, 2016 Posts: 58 Location: 70121
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 6:07 pm Post subject: Re: After Market Cruise Control: Stock Engines 2016 |
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Oops. Thanks dave. Does anyone have the install instructions from the gowesty kit? Is that something that can be posted here? _________________ 1989 GL 2.1 WBX Manual |
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Howesight Samba Member
Joined: July 02, 2008 Posts: 3262 Location: Vancouver, B.C.
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:09 pm Post subject: Re: After Market Cruise Control: Stock Engines 2016 |
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Having spent far too many hours cobbling my CC system together from the VAG parts bin (AKA junkyard), I suggest that anyone seeking an easy install guaranteed to work should use either the GoWesty kit or the Rostra. Spoiler alert: The GoWesty kit IS a Rostra, but is sold with an easy-to-use Vehicle speed sensor from GW and a well thought out connection to the accelerator pedal. _________________ '86 Syncro Westy SVX |
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rubbachicken Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2004 Posts: 3058 Location: socal
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: After Market Cruise Control: Stock Engines 2016 |
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i've fitted a few of the audio vox systems, 2 for the same customer one on each of his syncros, he's very happy with them.
and recently fitted the gowesty offering, not the best, it wouldn't work on their basic settings, and took several test miles to fine tune it, i believe it's owners are still happy with it _________________ lucy our westy
lucy's BIG adventure
meet 'burni'
markswagen {mobile mechanic} san diego area all early VW's cared for.
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jimf909 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:29 pm Post subject: Re: After Market Cruise Control: Stock Engines 2016 |
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I've used a Rostra on a Miata and Bostig Vanagon. While not just like your stock Vsnagon, I've gotta believe it would work just as well (I found it to be an excellent add-on: reliably sets the speed and adjusts speed just like a fancy modern car).
I've found the wireless switch to work far better than expected: it fits wherever you want it; requires no wires and reliably makes the connection.
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Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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djkeev Samba Moderator
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 3:35 am Post subject: Re: After Market Cruise Control: Stock Engines 2016 |
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Ok, here's where I'm at........
Because of the reviews that I read, the fact that Rostra used to be GM's Dana and the support behind the sale, I am leaning heavily towards the
Rostra 250-1223 universal Cruise kit.
http://www.rostra.com/universal-aftermarket-cruise-control-by-rostra.php
There are two ways I can buy this cruise control kit.......
From GoWesty for pennies shy of $400 (+ GoWesty's freight charges)
Edit, in this case $17 ground or $26 priority, not so bad.
Or I can get the universal kit, add on the dash switch and use magnets on the CV joint (for now) and spend just a tad over $250 with free shipping.
GoWesty has some plus fearures.... The VSS pickup at the Speedometer, the pre-engineered hookup in the Gas Pedal linkage and historically decent customer service. Driving an Automatic I feel that I must have the gas pedal hookup so that I have full kick down function on hills as needed.
Now, I dislike paying money for things that I can easily make.
It will take me a few hours to do, but looking at drawings and photos of the gas pedal assembly, I feel that I can easily fab up a solid weatherproof, adjustable gas pedal pivot connection for very little cash out of pocket (if any).
While I have my installation vision, I'd love to see GoWesty's method. Does anyone have any literature or photos of the GW pedal interface?
While the VSS is nice, magnets are old school proven technology. I can embrace the wiring needed to do this. I can always upgrade later.
I am teetering on the fence here..... I've only a month before trip time...... Someone going to push me?
You know that when I fab my hookup system, you'll know how to do it too.......
Here is the hardware pack shipped with the Rostra, I can work with this! 👌
Dave _________________ Stop Dead Photo Links how to post photos
Ghia
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=392473
Vanagon
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6315537#6315537
Beetle
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=482968&highlight=74+super+vert
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OddN Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 3:50 am Post subject: Re: After Market Cruise Control: Stock Engines 2016 |
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The vss speedometer pickup can be found in Golf/Rabbit at least up to -91 model. Dont know if you got them with the multi function display (mfa) but all Golf 2 with that display has the vss.
But how is the slower speed signal affecting the Rostra unit? Is it adjustable or will you only have Cruise above 50 mph...
And if you were to use the original VW stalk, how would that connect to the Rostra? _________________ 1991 VW Multivan syncro 1,9 TD |
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djkeev Samba Moderator
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