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PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild Reply with quote

I received the bearings in industrial packaging. I'll repackage them as they sell.

They are available here: https://www.vwnos.com/508620b

If ya'll need anything else I can look at sourcing it.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild Reply with quote

Tvättbjörn wrote:
What would be the cross reference part number for the bearings? Can not find any SKF or FAG numbers online. I am sure that they sold them "aftermarket" also and not only thru VW

vw 311 415 227 to SKF or FAG



For "late steering box"; part numbers are about half-way down on first page of this thread.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=660446&highlight=


Grego in Sac wrote:


In the US, you will find just a few sets of original ones available. You can find some in Europe but depending on where you live postage can get expensive.
There is this ad

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2323084

It’s in Australia but the postal fee is very reasonable


I believe those are for the "early" steering box, different from the "late" steering box.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:17 am    Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild Reply with quote

Tvättbjörn wrote:
What would be the cross reference part number for the bearings? Can not find any SKF or FAG numbers online. I am sure that they sold them "aftermarket" also and not only thru VW

vw 311 415 227 to SKF or FAG


In the US, you will find just a few sets of original ones available. You can find some in Europe but depending on where you live postage can get expensive.
There is this ad

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2323084

It’s in Australia but the postal fee is very reasonable
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild Reply with quote

What would be the cross reference part number for the bearings? Can not find any SKF or FAG numbers online. I am sure that they sold them "aftermarket" also and not only thru VW

vw 311 415 227 to SKF or FAG
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:43 am    Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild Reply with quote

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Tim...I will check but I think these are the same part number bearing for my type 4 box. Would it be possible to buy a set/pair when you get them in hand?
Ray


Ray, Yes we visited about them being the same way back there 3 years ago. Sure, check with VWNOS to get a set.

Tim


Perfect! Thanks!

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild Reply with quote

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Tim...I will check but I think these are the same part number bearing for my type 4 box. Would it be possible to buy a set/pair when you get them in hand?
Ray


Ray, Yes we visited about them being the same way back there 3 years ago. Sure, check with VWNOS to get a set.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild Reply with quote

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Tim,

Do you think we could try using a timkin taper roller bearing instead of the ball bearing ones?


The bearing in this steering box only has one race. The opposing race is provided by the worm shaft. This is true for the bearings at both ends of the worm shaft. Thus, a taper roller bearing isn't going to have a race to bear against unless you machine the worm shaft to provide that race.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild Reply with quote

Tim,

Do you think we could try using a timkin taper roller bearing instead of the ball bearing ones?

And are the two bearings the same?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild Reply with quote

OKType3Tim wrote:
Grego, and others:

Thanks for the kind words.

I've worked with Marcel @ VWNOS to find another batch of bearings. Fortunately, Marcel was able to located a small supply that he should have available soon. As with all things, they will be a bit more expensive than the batch I found 3+ years ago.

Also, Wolfsburg West has the gasket for the top cover. It might have been out of stock for a bit, but their web site shows it being available now.

Tim


Tim...I will check but I think these are the same part number bearing for my type 4 box. Would it be possible to buy a set/pair when you get them in hand?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 4:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild Reply with quote

Grego, and others:

Thanks for the kind words.

I've worked with Marcel @ VWNOS to find another batch of bearings. Fortunately, Marcel was able to located a small supply that he should have available soon. As with all things, they will be a bit more expensive than the batch I found 3+ years ago.

Also, Wolfsburg West has the gasket for the top cover. It might have been out of stock for a bit, but their web site shows it being available now.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:50 am    Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild Reply with quote

OKType3Tim wrote:
Regarding Kits:
Three years ago I expended the effort and $ to have custom shims manufactured, custom gaskets manufactured, found/purchased plugs, purchased quality seals, found someone who found someone who located a box of NOS bearings in the back of a warehouse somewhere in Europe that I could purchase. Enough that I was able to create 100 kits.

It has been a effort of love, but not profit; and I am glad to have done my part.

Now as Mario says in his ads:
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"NOTE: Buy rare stuff if it's available, not if you are in need of..."


Going forward, if I was to recreate the effort; I would have to have commitments in advance. As a retiree, laying out that many $ to sit around on a shelf for 3 years just can't be done in my case.

Thank you to all who did purchase and thus, have been able to keep their units in good working order. I've enjoyed working with you on this.

And...as always, thoughts and comments are welcome.

Tim


Thank you Tim for all the effort and time you put into this, unfortunately it seems like I am late to the party!
It looks like I can source the seals and top gasket from a vender but would like to know if there is a source for the bearings?
The shims will be another matter but I’m hoping that since my steering box is still tight and just leaking that the internals will still be good enough to reuse and be with in spec.

Again thanks for the very long thread and tons of info.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild Reply with quote

Regarding Kits:
Three years ago I expended the effort and $ to have custom shims manufactured, custom gaskets manufactured, found/purchased plugs, purchased quality seals, found someone who found someone who located a box of NOS bearings in the back of a warehouse somewhere in Europe that I could purchase. Enough that I was able to create 100 kits.

It has been a effort of love, but not profit; and I am glad to have done my part.

Now as Mario says in his ads:
Quote:
"NOTE: Buy rare stuff if it's available, not if you are in need of..."


Going forward, if I was to recreate the effort; I would have to have commitments in advance. As a retiree, laying out that many $ to sit around on a shelf for 3 years just can't be done in my case.

Thank you to all who did purchase and thus, have been able to keep their units in good working order. I've enjoyed working with you on this.

And...as always, thoughts and comments are welcome.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:51 am    Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild Reply with quote

I would like to buy one of your kits. The ad is not up on the forum.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:14 am    Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild Reply with quote

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CORN HEAD GREASE, BABAY!! Whoo Hoo!!


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Please.....not to be confused with "corn hole " grease....thats a Bevis and Butthead product....Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild Reply with quote

@OKType3Tim

Are you still selling your kits? I'd like to purchase one but the 'ad' on Samba is 'is currently inactive'?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:15 am    Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild Reply with quote

Ah, okay. I have a very slight wiggle no matter where the drop arm is. It's like 1/2-1 millimeter or so. I'll do some adjusting this weekend and see what I come up with. Thanks!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild Reply with quote

Yes, you use the worm shaft to turn. But at any position that you turn to, can you feel a very small wiggle in the drop arm? If not, then the adjustment screw is already to tight. Back off the adjustment screw until you can feel the wiggle in the drop arm at any given position. Then adjust to get to what I described in the previous post.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild Reply with quote

Thank you!
Can you define wiggle? It seems difficult to turn the drop arm by hand. If I use the end of the worm gear it's much easier. Of course this is with the box not bolted to anything and just floating free. I could attach it to my beam if you think that would be necessary?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild Reply with quote

The maximum no-play zone works out to be a 1/2 turn left to a 1/2 turn right. Minimum of 1/3 turn left to a 1/3 right.
To say another way:
(CP means center point)
drop arm wiggle---|<-1/2 turn left-CP-1/2 turn right-> |---drop arm wiggle
---------------------|-----no drop arm wiggle in here-----|---------------------

If the top adjuster screw is to tight, then it will be hard to turn through the center point.

If the shim is incorrect, then the no wiggle zone will be offset to one side or the other. Example: you turn 1/4 turn right and you get wiggle, but you turn 3/4 left before you get wiggle. For this example you need a thinner shim.

You proceeded correctly, start with the thick shim and work your way thinner.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Steering Boxes: VW vs. TRW; VW Teardown & Rebuild Reply with quote

Okay, I'm finally back at it!

Installed the adjust screw with CORN HEAD grease. No vertical play, but just a bit of drag. I'd compare it to when you adjust your valves, but slightly tighter. Hope that's to spec.

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Shim in place. I just guessed here as I didn't have much to go on. More on this later.

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New worm gear being built up with new bearings.

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Worm gear assembled and in the box housing.

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Lower race in place and centered just right.

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Whole assembly pressed into place.

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And adjusted to have a slightly rough turn and locked in place

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Drop arm installed.

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No more assembly pictures. Once you start filling with grease it's a messy job and I was trying to keep my phone relatively clean. But, I dropped the roller gear into place and installed a new seal. Fully assembled box.

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Now, Tim, this is where I could use your help. I was struggling with the fine tuning. I made an 11 degree template to check my shim, but without any special VW tools I'm not sure I got it perfect. What do you suggest I do to verify everything is to spec. now that I have it all put together?
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