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Merian Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2014 Posts: 5212 Location: Orygun
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 3:01 pm Post subject: Instrument Foil Replacement Kit for $160 - Anyone Tried It? |
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This item needs its own thread. it seems easier than the GW item (which has its own thread), and is of course cheaper.
Has anyone tried it??
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docj78 Samba Member
Joined: December 08, 2015 Posts: 77 Location: Anacortes
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 4:59 pm Post subject: Re: Instrument Foil Replacement Kit for $160 - Anyone Tried It? |
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I bought one months ago from Eric, I think I was one of the first kits he sold. Before that I was talking direct with the supplier in SA. That being said.... I've been so busy with other things I haven't installed it yet. I'm planning on doing it within the next week or so, I'll post on here and let everyone know how it goes. All the talk I've heard is that it's a good kit though. And Eric has been top notch to deal with. I sure he's waiting for me to finish this install and post some feedback though.... _________________ 88 Syncro Westy 2.2 WBX (SOLD) |
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thunderstick12 Samba Member
Joined: December 07, 2015 Posts: 7 Location: Washington
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: Instrument Foil Replacement Kit for $160 - Anyone Tried It? |
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I installed this a couple months ago. Install was straight forward. I haven't driven the van much since as I'm in the process of getting it painted, amongst other things. All gauges work as they should. Steve |
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Merian Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2014 Posts: 5212 Location: Orygun
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: Instrument Foil Replacement Kit for $160 - Anyone Tried It? |
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any pics of how it connects to the 14 Pin Flat Connector? _________________ .... |
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thunderstick12 Samba Member
Joined: December 07, 2015 Posts: 7 Location: Washington
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 9:09 pm Post subject: Re: Instrument Foil Replacement Kit for $160 - Anyone Tried It? |
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Not at this time. Vans in for paint. basically slides together like the original but uses a zip tie to keep it together. If I remember, when the van gets back, I'll post a couple pics. |
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Gnarlodious Samba Member
Joined: September 28, 2013 Posts: 2319 Location: Adobe Jungle USA
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: Instrument Foil Replacement Kit for $160 - Anyone Tried It? |
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To be honest, I’ve been burned so many times by GWs aftermarket engineered products that I will not buy them. _________________ Vanagon ’83 diesel AAZ w/Giles injection, 5spd 4.57R&P+TBD and a '78 diesel Rabbit |
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B-bear604 Samba Member
Joined: August 16, 2014 Posts: 118 Location: Delta BC
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: Instrument Foil Replacement Kit for $160 - Anyone Tried It? |
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I bought one and it's so simple to install. For me I had picked up at Tach the fuel and temp gauge and installed it into my lower grade unit with the big clock. It was as simple as just pluging the wires into the corresponding places as per instructions. Everything worked as it should when I was done....so glad to get rid of the flickering lights.
It just slides into the connector and is held in place with a zip tie, again couldn't be easier. Check Erics web site for the instructions its all there with great pics showing step by step. Just as an added would buy from Eric again if my next van needs one (or should I say when) _________________ Brent H
1991 Westfalia Multivan "Vicki"
1986 Westfalia "Wolfsburg Edition" Lowered, RIP😭
2005 Jetta Wagon TDI
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OhBetty Samba Member
Joined: August 23, 2014 Posts: 80 Location: Salt Lake City
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: Instrument Foil Replacement Kit for $160 - Anyone Tried It? |
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I will also throw my endorsement into the hat on this one...
I just installed it on my '87 westy and am very pleased with the outcome. Installation was remarkably easy and instructions were very thorough...
Perhaps my favorite aspect are the LED lights that are hardwired in. The white plastic braces for my previous LED lights were brittle and breaking and did not always make good contact between the bulb and blue foil.
I can also rest assured that the 17-pin connector in the back has a good connection that won't haunt me anytime soon.
Two thumbs up for this product so far!! |
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Merian Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2014 Posts: 5212 Location: Orygun
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:13 pm Post subject: Re: Instrument Foil Replacement Kit for $160 - Anyone Tried It? |
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are the LEDs warm white, or a bright, cool white color? _________________ .... |
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Bassyaks Samba Member
Joined: October 06, 2010 Posts: 1137 Location: S.E. Connetitcut
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:26 am Post subject: Re: Instrument Foil Replacement Kit for $160 - Anyone Tried It? |
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The kit works PERFECT, I would recommend it if your old foil is junk. |
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tates1882 Samba Member
Joined: August 07, 2012 Posts: 275 Location: Southwest Idaho
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:45 am Post subject: Re: Instrument Foil Replacement Kit for $160 - Anyone Tried It? |
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Merian wrote: |
are the LEDs warm white, or a bright, cool white color? |
cool white and bright, thats my only complaint. Even dimmed down with my white gauge faces it get overpowering after awhile.
The kit itself is super simple and easy to install the longest part is removing the old foil. _________________ 88 Vanaru, ej22, naht |
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Slimvest Samba Member
Joined: March 20, 2014 Posts: 431 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:41 am Post subject: Re: Instrument Foil Replacement Kit for $160 - Anyone Tried It? |
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Just installed one myself last month. Works well and I'm happy overall. Driving in the dark is fun again!
One critique is the pin connection, IMO. It is secure with the zip tie, but I still had to wiggle it a couple times to make sure the clock was getting a good connection. It would be nice to be able to secure the unit to the cluster in some way too.
Like others said, lighting is bright, not warm. My dimmer switch doesn't seem to work like the original, but maybe this is the LED bulbs. Not sure _________________ '87 GL w/ Reimo top |
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Merian Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2014 Posts: 5212 Location: Orygun
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:49 pm Post subject: Re: Instrument Foil Replacement Kit for $160 - Anyone Tried It? |
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I'd like a kit that allows me to replace the connectors and foil, but keep the warm, old-timey, period-correct glow of the bulbs... _________________ .... |
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Dymaxion2004 Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2009 Posts: 7 Location: New Brunswick, CANADA
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 7:18 am Post subject: Re: Instrument Foil Replacement Kit for $160 - Anyone Tried It? |
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Hi All,
I've just installed the Cluster Master kit in a friends van and want to flag an installation issue that held me up for several hours debugging the oil warning system. The install went fine, minimal effort, good instructions. The kit was installed to get instrument lights working, everything else was working fine prior.
After installation the lights were back, and great!! Much crisper white light, I know others don't like the brightness but I love it. BUT the oil warning circuit was messed up. No blinking LED on key on, and then buzzer and blinking once above say 2600RPM. Hmmmm...
Went through the oil circuit wiring end to end, verified oil sender functions for hi/lo and all good but still not working at the dash properly. Great product support from Eric and from makers in SA. No luck. More debugging.....
The problem was that the 14 pin connection back into the chassis harness is done with a printed circuit board, PCB. The PCB with the 14 connectors is NOT a snug fit into the chassis harness. The kit comes with a couple of tiewraps to hold the ClusterMaster module into the chassis harness. While this holds the two pieces together it doesn't make for a good electrical connection since the PCB is too thin the press tightly/reliably against the 14 pins. I had partial connection working, coolant warning, dash LEDs etc, but no oil warning.
The amount of debug time exceeded the time spent on the actual installation, not a good thing. The solution to this problem is trivial, I put two layers of electrical tape on the backside of the PCB to thicken it up. Voila problem fixed. The PCB now slid in with a snug fit, the oil system worked perfectly, all good. I still used the tiewraps to secure their heavy circuit lump into the chassis harness. Discussion afterwards with Eric when I pointed out what is a manufacturing defect, inadequate thickness of the SA units connection into the chassis harness, only got the response that it wasn't really an issue as I was the first person to report such an issue. Hmmmm... product feedback not welcome unless positive? Someone had to be first. Bottom line, unit works great, cheaper than another offering and dead easy install, go for it. But add a couple of layers of tape before you clip it together.
One thing to wonder about is the long term outcome. There is a heavy lump of circuits/case whatever dangling by a bunch of thin wires with soldered connections. I'm wondering how well this will stand up after bouncing around inside your instrument housing for a few years. Particularly for Syncro owners. Another small shortcoming is that the voltage regulator is now soldered in place, not simply removable by taking out one screw and sliding the new regulator in. Cheers, Tim |
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bluebus86 Banned
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vino de vano Samba Member
Joined: September 10, 2016 Posts: 359 Location: columbia gorge
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:55 am Post subject: Re: Instrument Foil Replacement Kit for $160 - Anyone Tried It? |
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Did mine a couple of weeks ago, install was easy with great online instructions. I only wish the lighting used the standard light socits, as I have the red leds that I would like to try. Nice call on the tape, nice simple fix. _________________ what a long strange trip it's been |
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Merian Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2014 Posts: 5212 Location: Orygun
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:42 pm Post subject: Re: Instrument Foil Replacement Kit for $160 - Anyone Tried It? |
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Dymax - what MY Van? _________________ .... |
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CampWesty Samba Member
Joined: September 05, 2012 Posts: 70 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: Instrument Foil Replacement Kit for $160 - Anyone Tried It? |
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I can't believe this seemingly small disagreement has spilled over into a public forum, but Tim has forced my hand to reply. It's safe to say him and I disagree on some things, and I can live with most things he said except for this:
Dymaxion2004 wrote: |
Discussion afterwards with Eric when I pointed out what is a manufacturing defect, inadequate thickness of the SA units connection into the chassis harness, only got the response that it wasn't really an issue as I was the first person to report such an issue. Hmmmm... product feedback not welcome unless positive? |
I'm sorry Tim, this is baloney and you know it. I've already said privately, and now forced to say it publicly as you're trying to insinuate otherwise, your feedback has not been ignored; no one's has. Good or bad we listen to it all. I don't know why you keep saying this? It's simply not true. Why on earth would we not want to make our product even better than it already is?! And yes, contrary to what you seem to believe, you were indeed the first one to notify us of a problem like this, especially of this magnitude. (I'll spare everyone the details of why we ended up where we did in the first place.)
To my knowledge Cluster Master is exploring a thicker board (your suggestion!) and are looking into improving the dimmer capabilities as Slimvest mentioned above. Certainly lots of testing will need to be done on Cluster Master's side before a major change would be implemented, though. They have been selling these kits for years in South Africa with practically zero issues. Nothing will ever be perfect, but the bottom line is these kits are easily installed for the vast majority of people, and you save a solid $100 at the same time.
If anyone runs into any issues please email me at [email protected]. I will help as best I can. _________________ Eric
1985 Wolfsburg Westy Weekender, Bostig RG5
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Instrument Cluster Foil Repair Kits - Fix your faulty blue foil for good! |
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Dymaxion2004 Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2009 Posts: 7 Location: New Brunswick, CANADA
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: Instrument Foil Replacement Kit for $160 - Anyone Tried It? |
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"For what it's worth, now that we know the outcome, Cluster Master recommends removing the tape and and tensioning the pins in the connector." end quote
When I install a new product I expect it to work, first time, out of the box. I don't expect to have to tweak an existing and previously functioning connector to get the new product working 100%. Reliability is an absolute must, especially around the oil warning circuit. Since this thread asked for input regarding this product, now you have mine. Great product, once you add tape! |
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Dark Alley Dan Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2005 Posts: 184 Location: The Land of Wind and Ghosts (AKA Edmonton, AB)
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:10 am Post subject: Re: Instrument Foil Replacement Kit for $160 - Anyone Tried It? |
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Bought one, had an issue. Communications w/Eric were immediate, polite, and gracious. We had a solution within an hour, and we live thousands of miles apart.
I'd not only do business with the man again, I'd let him stay at my house if he's ever up here. Eric's a top-flight guy. Buy with confidence.
Dan _________________ Dark Alley Dan
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