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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 1:08 pm    Post subject: Shift plate variations? Reply with quote

Shift plate comparison... stock on bottom, replacement on top of unknown origin.

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When my shifter felt funny I bought both the plastic bushing and also a spare shift plate, just in case. The bushing cleaned up the sloppy shifting perfectly, so I re-used my old, unworn shift plate ( '71 Fastback).

But it was interesting how different the working surfaces are. I know the bottom is original. The top is probably not repro; it looks to be the same metal and is obviously taken off a car, so I know it was working.

I haven't quite wrapped my head around just how the two vertical surfaces interact with the shifter handle assembly to control reverse lockout. And so I can' tell what difference the narrower wear surfaces would affect shifting.

Anyone know if this matters, or if this is from a different model or year?


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Shift plate variations? Reply with quote

Off the top of my head or the bottom of my ass (take your pick) I'm calling the top one as Bay Bus.

IIRC they have a narrower pattern due to the longer shifter but don't quote me.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Shift plate variations? Reply with quote

Looking in the Type 3 Parts Book, I find the following:

311 711 149 up to VIN 310 2 500 000 (end of MY 1970.)

111 711 149 A 311 2 000 001 to 311 2 500 000 (another one year only '71 part!)

111 711 149 B 312 2 000 001 - on

These numbers would seem to indicate that there was also a 111 711 149 part used on early Beetles, making for a total of at least 4 different versions. Likely more once we include Type 2s and 4s.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Shift plate variations? Reply with quote

Tram wrote:
Off the top of my head or the bottom of my ass (take your pick) I'm calling the top one as Bay Bus.

IIRC they have a narrower pattern due to the longer shifter but don't quote me.


Bay Windows have 2 plates sticking out of the sides.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Shift plate variations? Reply with quote

jadney wrote:
Looking in the Type 3 Parts Book, I find the following:

311 711 149 up to VIN 310 2 500 000 (end of MY 1970.)

111 711 149 A 311 2 000 001 to 311 2 500 000 (another one year only '71 part!)

111 711 149 B 312 2 000 001 - on

These numbers would seem to indicate that there was also a 111 711 149 part used on early Beetles, making for a total of at least 4 different versions. Likely more once we include Type 2s and 4s.


I was not aware the 1970 and earlier Type 3 used a different plate than the regular Beetle one, I wonder what is different. Maybe it's the difference in the photos above or maybe that's just a crappy reproduction part.

The normal difference I think of is the early Beetle/Bus plate having one or 2 guide pieces on the sides.

Example, earlier style is on the right side:
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They are interchangeable though, it was an improvement
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