Sift Shaft Seal or Main Shaft Seal?

[BayCreamPuff]

What seal goes here? Also any secret in removing this seal with the transmission in place? I had to dig it out with a scalpel and pliers.

I bought this one, but having a hard time getting it in.
http://www.autohausaz.com/pn/001301227

Is this the one I should have bought?
http://www.autohausaz.com/pn/113311113A

Thanks!
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Cream Puff
'79 CA Stock FI Deluxe Campmobile

Earl Grey
'87 GoWesty 2.2 Westfalia

Marsha Mellow
'00 Eurovan VR6 Full Camper

[old DKP driver]

Is this from your 79 091 trans?

Your bushing is damaged which is also the seal holder

Bushing # 001 301 209
Seal # 001 301 227
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[SGKent]

the 091 uses just a rubber seal. The sealing area on your nosecone is damaged. The proper repair is to remove the transmission and engine, then the transmission nosecone and replace it with an undamaged one. The redneck repair is to file the damaged burrs away with s small file, insert the new seal and fill the gouges with RTV.


seal: http://weddleindustries.com/products/1000199/1000701

nosecone: may be hard to find one. This one is pre-machined for the steel plate that helps when the nosecone wears (they all do)
http://weddleindustries.com/products/1000287/1001958

Steel thrust plate:
http://weddleindustries.com/products/1000292/1002215
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[old DKP driver]

That's why i asked if it was an 091 since it appears in the picture that
there is brass around the lip where the seal was pried out

75 was the last year for the 001 301 209 bushing/seal holder
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[BayCreamPuff]

Thanks for the suggestions.

This is for the 091 on my 79. It was already chewed up and leaking, so if possible I'd like to just put the new seal in and deal with the engine drop / nose cone replacement another day.

Problem is I can't get the new seal in. Can you tell from this photo if I've gotten it all out? It looks like there's an inner ring or is that part of the old seal?

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Cream Puff
'79 CA Stock FI Deluxe Campmobile

Earl Grey
'87 GoWesty 2.2 Westfalia

Marsha Mellow
'00 Eurovan VR6 Full Camper

[BayCreamPuff]

I believe I have the correct seal

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Cream Puff
'79 CA Stock FI Deluxe Campmobile

Earl Grey
'87 GoWesty 2.2 Westfalia

Marsha Mellow
'00 Eurovan VR6 Full Camper

[old DKP driver]

Yes you have the correct seal but, you really need to try to clean up the
damage 1st. Enough to remove some of the inner damage.

maybe using a small Sharp knife or a razor blade and some sealant when
installing the seal.

And recheck your fluid level when finished.and until you can repair it properly.
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[SGKent]

[BayCreamPuff]

Awesome, thanks again! I'll definitely get some sealant in there when I figure out how to get this new seal in.

The seal I have is rubber all around like the original (see my photo above).

Does that bearing move at all? I can't see how the seal will be able to fully seat with that bearing in place.

I'm wondering if I may have just scraped off the rubber part of the old seal leaving behind whatever is inside the seal. Is it metal inside? Could that inner ring possibly be the remains of the seal?

Ratwell's photo

Mine won't go any further than this

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Cream Puff
'79 CA Stock FI Deluxe Campmobile

Earl Grey
'87 GoWesty 2.2 Westfalia

Marsha Mellow
'00 Eurovan VR6 Full Camper

[SGKent]

the seal are appears to be bent from being dropped. that is probably what you are fighting.

again - I believe this is the part you are seeing as a steel lip: http://weddleindustries.com/products/1000175/1001750
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[BayCreamPuff]

[SGKent]

take a depth measurement and compare it to the seal. Mine sits flush with the exterior. I believe you are fighting a damaged seal race. You may need to clean that up first.

here is an old one someone gave me.

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[BayCreamPuff]

Thanks for that picture. I've been looking for a shot just like that. Very helpful.

Took a measurement and there's definitely not enough room for the seal.

Took a flash photo with my phone and it looks like you can see the bearing behind this ring. I'm now convinced this is the skeleton of my dead seal.

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Cream Puff
'79 CA Stock FI Deluxe Campmobile

Earl Grey
'87 GoWesty 2.2 Westfalia

Marsha Mellow
'00 Eurovan VR6 Full Camper

[Tcash]

You have not gotten all the seal out. The seal is a metal collar that is encased in rubber.
That is the metal collar in front of the bearing that you can see that has the (K) on it.
This is the arrangement
thnx to mayor ratwell

seal https://weddleindustries.com/products/1000199/1000701
bearing https://weddleindustries.com/product/1001750

You should be able to pry it out with a flat blade screwdriver on its side. Put a piece of metal or rags against the aluminium so you do not damage it anymore.

You can use a paint can opener as well.

Good luck
Tcash

[BayCreamPuff]

Thanks Tcash!

I'll try to paint can opener. If that doesn't work may try one of these.

https://www.amazon.com/Lisle-58430-Shaft-Type-Puller/dp/B000FPYW4K


Link

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Cream Puff
'79 CA Stock FI Deluxe Campmobile

Earl Grey
'87 GoWesty 2.2 Westfalia

Marsha Mellow
'00 Eurovan VR6 Full Camper

[BayCreamPuff]

I was able to get it out with the tool I linked to above. That thing is magical.

New seal went in (with a bit of a fight due to the bent opening).

I was then able to do what I actually set out to do which is replace the bent shift coupler and torn, incorrect front bushing.

I didn't know shifting could be so smooth on a bus.

Thanks for all your help!
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Cream Puff
'79 CA Stock FI Deluxe Campmobile

Earl Grey
'87 GoWesty 2.2 Westfalia

Marsha Mellow
'00 Eurovan VR6 Full Camper