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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever Reply with quote

It’s nice to know you are rolling again. And weird to see Robbie in long pants.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever Reply with quote

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It’s nice to know you are rolling again. And weird to see Robbie in long pants.

Thanks Tom. It felt great to be able to drive to Lake Havasu, and only had to downshift into 3rd once. The Craigslist engine I found is running great.

And Robbie was even seen wearing footwear that didn’t show toes. Shocked
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever Reply with quote

Ha! Not me but those ties look rad!

I gotta say, we’re talking about making the trip to BBB someday. I think I can drop south from SD through Denver and just hug the mountains SW and drop right in. I’m thinking in a few years and maybe even pull a kid out of school and make a buddy trip with either one brave enough to do it with me. The cold doesn’t worry me, just waiting out a snow blast if we get caught and allow for some wrenching. Thinking a two weeks off and it could happen. A dream trip to roll in there and camp with ya’all.

That pic of you Kent all bundled up makes it look frigid. At this point of the winter we’re coatless if it hits 35* and at 40* we open the windows of the house and let it breath! Crisp, clean air and no flies!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 2:23 am    Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever Reply with quote

That would be one of those trips your child would remember and tell his kids. CarlosZ had his two young boys with him, and they were having a blast. So I say GoForIt! Stop off at the Grand Canyon, catch other sights... You'd be a shoe-in for the Dad-of-the-Year award.

Yeah, I hadn't meant to post that pic of me as a cold wimp. I took almost a 100 pics, and sorting them by looking at little thumbnail shots can be challenging. But I live where it gets 125+ in the hottest days of summer, so 60 feels like frostbite is imminent. I start layering when temps get below 75. Yup, I'm a cold wimp.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever Reply with quote

Next year gents, I’m doing it! Such a magical event.
I always appreciate those who share pics and video
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever Reply with quote

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Next year gents, I’m doing it! Such a magical event.
I always appreciate those who share pics and video

Yes! You'll have a great time, Sam. Being surrounded by hundreds of like-minded VW geeks is an experience that is hard to express.
I would compare it to Woodstock, but that was even before MY time...

Looking forward to seeing you there. Dancing
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever Reply with quote

Glad this didn't happen at BBB... Very Happy

For the past couple years, it was sometimes difficult to get the ignition key to crank the engine completely. And what I mean by that is... maybe 15% of the time, the key will either (1) turn completely but not have any affect (no click, no crank, no dimming of lights), or (2) it would click and then have no affect, or (3) crank for a very brief period and then have no affect.

After one of those three things would happen, I would turn the key off and then it would start normally. And since it occurred occasionally and I could still get it to start, I just chalked it up as another of Chloe's idiosyncrasies. She has many of them.

Buuuuuut this afternoon, I turned the key to start, and only got one little click. Then no matter how many turns of the key, there was dead silence and no dimming of the dash lights.

After many trials, I was finally successful at getting enough cranking to start the engine. But to do it, I had to push the key hard down into the ignition switch while turning the key, using ViseGrips on the key. (I have no idea how I thought of trying that technique.)

Reviewing The Samba and Mayor Ratwell's sites, I believe the problem is a bad electrical portion of the ignition switch. But still being new at troubleshooting, I'd like others opinions before proceeding with replacing the possible bad switch.

Question So wadyathink? Am I going in the right direction by replacing the ignition switch? I've taken the steering wheel and turn signal/wiper switch off to access the ignition. But I need to buy an EZ Out and an M8 x15 bolt to proceed, so I thought I'd ask the pro's first.
..............

As an aside, I did a compression test on the Craigslist engine I bought a couple months ago. Cylinders 1, 2, and 4 were in the 100-105 range, while #3 was 125 psi. I thought that was unusual, given that #3 is usually the troublemaker in the bunch.

Following the compression check and timing, I thought I'd try my luck at the dreaded semi-annual Smog Test Evil or Very Mad. My luck continues, as it passed the test again with very good numbers. Big relief. Now I'm good for two more years.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever Reply with quote

Congratulations on the smog!

The higher #3 compression could be extra carbon buildup as often happens in that cylinder, doesn't sound bad though, how did that sparkplug look compared to the rest?

You need a new ignition switch (the electrical part), you may not need an EZ-out 99% of those bolts are loose already and can be tickled with a small chisel in the CCW direction enough to remove them, a hacksaw cut across the head converts it into a slot screw for reinstallation.
Buy 2 switch portions, many are poor quality and if you have a spare in the glove box you can plug it in under the column, start it with a screwdriver and drive home when the first one fails.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever Reply with quote

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Congratulations on the smog!

Thanks BD! It was a huge relief.

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The higher #3 compression could be extra carbon buildup as often happens in that cylinder, doesn't sound bad though, how did that sparkplug look compared to the rest?

The plugs were only in for about 1500 miles. 1 and 3 had the ashy grey appearance to them, while 2 and 4 still showed white on the porcelain. I was told it's running too lean.

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You need a new ignition switch (the electrical part), you may not need an EZ-out 99% of those bolts are loose already and can be tickled with a small chisel in the CCW direction enough to remove them, a hacksaw cut across the head converts it into a slot screw for reinstallation.

That's great info... Thanks BD. I'm glad I asked before proceeding.

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Buy 2 switch portions, many are poor quality and if you have a spare in the glove box you can plug it in under the column, start it with a screwdriver and drive home when the first one fails.

Even more good info. I already have one that I bought a while ago. But I'll buy a spare or two as you suggested.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever Reply with quote

Kent, there are a lot of NOS VW made ignition switches still out there. I've sourced two for my rig. For the time it takes to change them, if you can find a NOS German original, I'd go that route vs the latest poor offering from chungmahong manufacturing. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever Reply with quote

The late switch is a piece of cake to replace compared to a 71, crack the cap on the washer reservoir to vent the pressure, unplug everything from under the column (hoses too), remove the steering wheel and remove that pinch bolt with the funny theft proof head. The whole column switch assembly lifts/slides up the column and into your lap for access to the switch on the bottom, one screw on the switch and reverse the whole process to remantle. Probably a good idea to disconnect the battery, and don't skip setting the gap between the switch assembly and steering wheel before tightening that pinch bolt so your horn works and the signals cancel properly.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever Reply with quote

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The late switch is a piece of cake to replace compared to a 71, crack the cap on the washer reservoir to vent the pressure, unplug everything from under the column (hoses too), remove the steering wheel and remove that pinch bolt with the funny theft proof head. The whole column switch assembly lifts/slides up the column and into your lap for access to the switch on the bottom, one screw on the switch and reverse the whole process to remantle. Probably a good idea to disconnect the battery, and don't skip setting the gap between the switch assembly and steering wheel before tightening that pinch bolt so your horn works and the signals cancel properly.


That still seems like a lot of work to do TWICE Mr. Busdaddy!?! What if Kent and I PREFER not do the same job twice MISTER?! Huh?

What if it's time for us to simply stand up and say NO to the Chinese man and his cheap "economy" parts. Someone must take a leadership role in this crisis and I'm glad Kents our man to do it!


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever Reply with quote

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What if it's time for us to simply stand up and say NO to the Chinese man and his cheap "economy" parts.

I agree completely, but sometimes you don't get what you are hoping for or can't find the good stuff on short notice, there's more than one supplier shipping garbage in a German box claiming it's the real deal these days. A spare close at hand (even if it's a shitty one) will get you home, late ignition switches have been hit and miss even if you hold out for the "good stuff" lately.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever Reply with quote

EIS switches seem to be pretty good these days. Haven’t had bad enough luck with them to try the EMPI offerings.

The electrical switch should also fix your X terminal issues that we found before BBB.

Congrats on the smog results too!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever Reply with quote

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... and don't skip setting the gap between the switch assembly and steering wheel before tightening that pinch bolt so your horn works and the signals cancel properly.


Wait... huh?

Could you elaborate a little? Bentley not with me right now.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever Reply with quote

I’ve put one of these switches into the 74 Westy, not too bad of a job. Be patient, you’ll get it.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever Reply with quote

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busdaddy wrote:
... and don't skip setting the gap between the switch assembly and steering wheel before tightening that pinch bolt so your horn works and the signals cancel properly.


Wait... huh?

Could you elaborate a little? Bentley not with me right now.


Late buses have a turn signal cancelling tab (plastic, sometimes breaks) on the signal switch that is grabbed by a metal wire piece on the steering wheel to cancel the signals after a turn. They also have a copper tab on the column that is the connection for the horn, which rides on a copper ring on the steering wheel to complete the circuit. The gap between the wheel and the column switches is specified to make sure the signals cancel and the horn honks. Bentley specifies the gap; if I had to guess I would say 1.0mm.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever Reply with quote

busdaddy wrote:
You need a new ignition switch (the electrical part), you may not need an EZ-out 99% of those bolts are loose already and can be tickled with a small chisel in the CCW direction enough to remove them, a hacksaw cut across the head converts it into a slot screw for reinstallation.

That worked great, BD. Thanks for the tip.

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I’ve put one of these switches into the 74 Westy, not too bad of a job. Be patient, you’ll get it.

That's the trick, Sam... Take it slow, and follow Ratwell's excellent instructions.

I probably have 20 boxes of VW parts, and I searched thru all of them twice. But still couldn't find the switch I know I have. It was always easy to find when I'm looking for something else, though. Rolling Eyes

I searched EIS's site, but couldn't find the part. But WolfWest appears to have German switches available. I've learned to trust WW when they offer a product for sale.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever Reply with quote

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busdaddy wrote:
You need a new ignition switch (the electrical part), you may not need an EZ-out 99% of those bolts are loose already and can be tickled with a small chisel in the CCW direction enough to remove them, a hacksaw cut across the head converts it into a slot screw for reinstallation.

That worked great, BD. Thanks for the tip.

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I’ve put one of these switches into the 74 Westy, not too bad of a job. Be patient, you’ll get it.

That's the trick, Sam... Take it slow, and follow Ratwell's excellent instructions.

I probably have 20 boxes of VW parts, and I searched thru all of them twice. But still couldn't find the switch I know I have. It was always easy to find when I'm looking for something else, though. Rolling Eyes

I searched EIS's site, but couldn't find the part. But WolfWest appears to have German switches available. I've learned to trust WW when they offer a product for sale.


Though 90% of the time I’m completely satisfied with WW, they surprise me with total crap every now and then. Though, I believe it to be more linked to the quality of third party suppliers. I’m excited they continue to create and produce their own products, we need it as a community.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever Reply with quote

SamboSamba22 wrote:

Though 90% of the time I’m completely satisfied with WW, they surprise me with total crap every now and then. Though, I believe it to be more linked to the quality of third party suppliers. I’m excited they continue to create and produce their own products, we need it as a community.


They sold me a brake booster that didn't work and never responded to my feedback. I hear they do sell some good products but they are generally not very open to feedback on quality. Personally, won't buy anything from them again.
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