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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7544 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:40 am Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever |
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Mine always seems to be over to the left.. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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airschooled Air-Schooled
Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 12727 Location: on a bike ride somewhere
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:54 am Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever |
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Clatter wrote: |
Mine always seems to be over to the left.. |
Mine's shorter than most, but it's very precise and always works when it needs to....... _________________ Learn how your vintage VW works. And why it doesn't!
One-on-one tech help for your Volkswagen:
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 12857 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:07 am Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever |
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asiab3 wrote: |
Mine's shorter than most, but it's very precise and always works when it needs to....... |
That's quite worthy right there. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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KentABQ Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2016 Posts: 2406 Location: Albuquerque NM
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:50 am Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever |
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As amazing as it sounds to me, it's been one year since I found Chloe on eBay. Reviewing this thread, it equally amazes me how much has been done to bring her back to life! Tires, fuel lines, brakes, drivetrain, FI, clutch, e-brake, etc. And if it hadn't been for all the insight and experience of my fellow Sambanistas, along with Robbie's invaluable instructions, she would probably still be wallowing in the garage, waiting for me to figure out how to set things right.
So, on this one-year anniversary, I want to give a huge, heart-felt "Thank you!" to everyone who has freely given advise, offered encouragement, and provided the materials to get her running again. ACVW's are such amazing pieces of machinery, especially considering they have 40+ years behind them, still running as they did when new. And we all have the common bond of having an emotional attachment to our two-ton loaves. Cheers!
And another big Thanks to Everett for being the Wizard behind The Samba, giving us all the opportunity to share our wisdom and wit. I just renewed my "gold star" membership in the hopes it keeps the website in the black and alive for years to come. _________________ -Kent-
1976 Riviera, 1.8l FI chrome yellow VAN - "Chloe"
"I must say, how can you be in a bad mood driving this vehicle full of vibrant color.
Cars of today are so bland in comparison. It's like driving a celebration!" ---WildIdea
Bus ownership via emoticons:
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richard123vmt Samba Member
Joined: February 04, 2017 Posts: 126 Location: california
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:20 pm Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever |
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I would say it is counter-intuitive to live in a rust-free zone and buy from a rust belt zone. But it does look like it is in decent shape. I don't know what you paid, or what you would have to pay locally.
The smog situation for an out-of-state vehicle is that it does not need to conform to CA standards but the federal standard to pass. But it must have all
the original smog equipment, even if it makes good numbers. They may have adjusted the standards since I looked into it. There used to be a required air pump which was a major expense. I heard of them being swiped from working cars. I think that snafu was rectified. Also, if the federal version did not require it then it is okay. You also have to have your brakes and lights inspected.
I would wire brush everything and then paint the underside with POR. That and the climate should take care of any rust issues. |
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KentABQ Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2016 Posts: 2406 Location: Albuquerque NM
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:12 pm Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever |
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Today I removed the shifter and bent it to make it easier to shift without banging my hand into the e-brake handle. Tomorrow I'll install and see how it works. BTW... that shifter is a STIFF and substantial piece of metal. I used an electrical conduit bender, and it was a challenge to get any bend in it except about halfway up it. It looks odd, but as long as it functions, I'll be a happy camper.
Also did a minor tune up with dwell and timing, and fixed a couple vacuum leaks. She's running muuuuuch better now. Former hills that bogged her down to 30 MPH in 2nd gear are now 50-55 MPH hills in 3rd and 4th. Super jazzed about that!
But she stills has a problem idling. Sometimes she idles fine, and sometimes she doesn't feel like it. So I bought new points and condenser from NAPA today (thanks for the suggestion, Robbie!), and will install them soon.
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On a similar topic, I found this posting in an old "Timing" thread...
Tcash wrote: |
Properly aligned Type IV timing scale. Note how the 32* mark lines up with the fin on the fan housing.
Timing 68-70 113 905 205T |
With the questionable quality of parts available, I've wondered about the accuracy of this scale. The OG scale that came with Chloe had been scrubbed clean, so NO letters or numbers were visible. So I purchased a new one... but had my doubts as to its accuracy since it was considerably different from the homemade scale detailed by LeeE, which I thought was pretty brilliant of him to draft up for us.
Now I seriously doubt the scale I have since seeing this pic. It is showing the 32* mark lines up with the rib on the shroud. On mine, it lines up with the 36* mark. So it's quite possible I am running 4* off...
What are the experts' opinions?
Should I set the timing to the scale, or should I adjust it 4* to compensate for the possible discrepancy?
I guess the big question is: Is the shroud rib an accurate mark for 32*?
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For richard123vmt:
Chloe was originally a west coast girl, and was only living in Missouri about a year and a half, and was a project bus for the owner. So she was mostly spared the ravages of rust and salt. And she was such a good buy, I couldn't pass it up! _________________ -Kent-
1976 Riviera, 1.8l FI chrome yellow VAN - "Chloe"
"I must say, how can you be in a bad mood driving this vehicle full of vibrant color.
Cars of today are so bland in comparison. It's like driving a celebration!" ---WildIdea
Bus ownership via emoticons:
---williamM |
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tommu Samba Member
Joined: November 15, 2011 Posts: 618 Location: L.A.
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:17 pm Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever |
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KentPS wrote: |
But she stills has a problem idling. Sometimes she idles fine, and sometimes she doesn't feel like it. |
How bad is the idle when it misbehaves? I'm curious to know what plugs you're using. _________________ |
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KentABQ Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2016 Posts: 2406 Location: Albuquerque NM
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever |
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Hi Tommu... I've noticed when I'm cruising along with RPMs up (no tach, so I'm guessing 3000 or so), and let off the gas approaching a stop, the idle gets very low when the clutch is pressed, and then dies. But if I approach a stop with lower RPMs, she keeps idling alright. So I've learned what I can do to keep her from dying.
I replaced the plugs this past spring, and used the NGK brand.
How's your hunt for a 2.0 GD coming along? Kinda frustrating, isn't it? Ride-on has a GE coming available soon, ICYI... All you have to do is drive 2500 miles to pick it up...
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On the other issue of the questionable timing scale, WilliamM had a great idea... Find true TDC by getting cylinder 3's valve to flutter, and set the scale from there. Brilliant! (I haven't done it yet, but it's still pretty ingenious, IMO.). Thanks BillM! _________________ -Kent-
1976 Riviera, 1.8l FI chrome yellow VAN - "Chloe"
"I must say, how can you be in a bad mood driving this vehicle full of vibrant color.
Cars of today are so bland in comparison. It's like driving a celebration!" ---WildIdea
Bus ownership via emoticons:
---williamM |
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 4:18 pm Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever |
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Have you lubed your distributor lately?
Lubing the Distributor |
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KentABQ Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2016 Posts: 2406 Location: Albuquerque NM
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 4:25 pm Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever |
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Yes, I lubed the shaft and oiled the top and the points' pivot last week when I set the dwell and timing. Thanks for the reminder, though. After reading your post, I see I missed the "advance plate guide ball". I'll take care of that next. _________________ -Kent-
1976 Riviera, 1.8l FI chrome yellow VAN - "Chloe"
"I must say, how can you be in a bad mood driving this vehicle full of vibrant color.
Cars of today are so bland in comparison. It's like driving a celebration!" ---WildIdea
Bus ownership via emoticons:
---williamM |
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lil-jinx Samba Member
Joined: August 14, 2013 Posts: 1109 Location: New Brunswick,Canada
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13389 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:26 pm Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever |
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KentPS wrote: |
Yes, I lubed the shaft and oiled the top and the points' pivot last week when I set the dwell and timing. Thanks for the reminder, though. After reading your post, I see I missed the "advance plate guide ball". I'll take care of that next. |
Hey Kent,
Which distributor is in your engine? I see a lot of the breaker plates that are sticky or in some cases frozen. Most are two piece breaker plates. They are greased between the plates and on the collar between them. If this distributor has never been apart since new, it should come apart for a full cleaning and re lubrication and inspection.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=686352&highlight=
Here's a thread that shows a breaker plate that shows what I'm referring too.
Maybe next time you see Robbie, he can lube the distributor up for ya. _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
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Decades of VW and VW parts restoration experience.
The Samba member since 2004.
**Now rebuilding throttle bodies for VW's and Porsche's**
**Restored German Bosch distributors for sale or I can restore yours**
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Ride_On Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2015 Posts: 385 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever |
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Actually, it's a GD, but yes... more than a few miles away!
Thanks KentPS!
KentPS wrote: |
How's your hunt for a 2.0 GD coming along? Kinda frustrating, isn't it? Ride-on has a GE coming available soon, ICYI... All you have to do is drive 2500 miles to pick it up... |
_________________ 1977 Westfalia 2.0 FI Skills EJ25 w SubaruGears 5sp
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=687254
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KentABQ Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2016 Posts: 2406 Location: Albuquerque NM
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever |
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Ride_On wrote: |
Actually, it's a GD, but yes... more than a few miles away!
Thanks KentPS!
KentPS wrote: |
How's your hunt for a 2.0 GD coming along? Kinda frustrating, isn't it? Ride-on has a GE coming available soon, ICYI... All you have to do is drive 2500 miles to pick it up... |
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Alllllllright Tommu.... Time for a road trip to Connecticutt! _________________ -Kent-
1976 Riviera, 1.8l FI chrome yellow VAN - "Chloe"
"I must say, how can you be in a bad mood driving this vehicle full of vibrant color.
Cars of today are so bland in comparison. It's like driving a celebration!" ---WildIdea
Bus ownership via emoticons:
---williamM |
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KentABQ Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2016 Posts: 2406 Location: Albuquerque NM
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever |
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wcfvw69 wrote: |
Hey Kent,
Which distributor is in your engine? I see a lot of the breaker plates that are sticky or in some cases frozen. Most are two piece breaker plates. They are greased between the plates and on the collar between them. If this distributor has never been apart since new, it should come apart for a full cleaning and re lubrication and inspection.
Maybe next time you see Robbie, he can lube the distributor up for ya. |
Oh man.... I feel like a lameass for not knowing the answer. I know it's double vacuum, with one port blocked off. And it probably does need some TLC, since Robbie said the advance is kinda slow in returning. But I'm not at that stage yet where I feel confident in rebuilding a distributor. Maybe I can find an old broken one to experiment on...
Confession time: I've fugged up my shifter. After I reinstalled it, I only could get it into reverse. I understand there's some adjustment in the mounting, but I haven't found the secret of success yet. _________________ -Kent-
1976 Riviera, 1.8l FI chrome yellow VAN - "Chloe"
"I must say, how can you be in a bad mood driving this vehicle full of vibrant color.
Cars of today are so bland in comparison. It's like driving a celebration!" ---WildIdea
Bus ownership via emoticons:
---williamM |
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:59 pm Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever |
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The adjustment prodedure is in the Bentley section 6
Put it in 2nd gear
Adjust shifter bracket so it is 90* to the floor
With a screwdriver push the stop plate from the drivers side toward the passengers side until it rest against the shifter.
Is the stop plate installed correctly?
Shifter Parts ID T2
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furgo Samba Member
Joined: September 06, 2016 Posts: 944 Location: Southern Germany
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 12:49 am Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever |
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KentPS wrote: |
Should I set the timing to the scale, or should I adjust it 4* to compensate for the possible discrepancy?
I guess the big question is: Is the shroud rib an accurate mark for 32*? |
FWIW, my aftermarket timing scale seems more like yours (36° mark nearer to the fin), but it might have been the perspective of the picture.
I'll double-check looking at it frontally when I'm at the bus next.
However, if aftermarket timing scales were to be that much off, would it not be a more widely known issue? In my (granted, short) experience with the bus, it's the first thing I hear about this. But perhaps someone else with more experience can comment on this one.
It has certainly brought some uncertainty, as I was just about to adjust the timing too
KentPS wrote: |
But I'm not at that stage yet where I feel confident in rebuilding a distributor. Maybe I can find an old broken one to experiment on... |
After having rebuilt 3 distributors, that does not make me an expert, but I can tell you that it's totally doable by a hobbyist. I had never even touched a distributor before that and I had no mechanical background.
Here is some info to get started refreshing your late bay distributor, should you attempt to do this:
• 021 905 205P distributor refresh (pics)
• Distributor 022 905 205S restoration questions
• Stuck vacuum advance on distributor
And if you want to get it done by a professional, Glenn, tasb and wcfvw69 are some of the reputable folks I've heard of here in The Samba. Apologies if I've missed anyone else.
But if you prefer to do this yourself (I personally wanted to do it myself to learn how it's done and how a distributor is put together), I'd recommend getting a cheap core to play with first, as it will give you more confidence and free you from the pressure of potentially breaking your distributor. _________________ '79 Westy, P22 interior, FI 2.0 l Federal, GE engine (hydraulic lifters)
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22671 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:03 am Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever |
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Brush off your high school maths, get a 1 dollar protractor and measure and mark your timing scale or the pulley. It's not rocket science, although vectors and angles are the core of rocket science.
If you are timing by the " full advance at rpm" method...
Decide what full advance is in your head...32,35 degrees?
Cut a sector of paper from thin cardboard at tha angle.
Apex of sector goes at center of fan nut.
One side at TDC or at zero on your scale.
The other side marks timing forever..mark scale with sharpie and take a pic to remember _________________ .ssS! |
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williamM Samba Member
Joined: August 07, 2008 Posts: 4333 Location: southwest Arizona
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:37 am Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever |
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I've still got some fibre washers/oil seals- from Glen (so ya they are the right ones) and a pile of little parts, like fibre oil wicks and new spacers- if you want them-(Or you could just send it to Glen) AND will be going to Anaheim this sunday to pick up a new to me Beam for grey bus. PM if you want them.
You can borrow my "dial a number" timing light provided I get it back before Christmas. _________________ some days I get up and just sit and think. Some days I just sit.
opinion untempered by fact is ignorance.
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22671 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:32 am Post subject: Re: Another poor sap with Bus fever |
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A small change in angle on those pictures will cause a large apparent angle change on the timing mark - same mistake made by the Moonshot conspiracy crowd on their moon shadow pictures. _________________ .ssS! |
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