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markcm2 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:28 am Post subject: '01 EV transmission TCU soft code, aggressive acceleration |
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I am noticing my 01 EV has a very touchy throttle response when launching. I checked the TCU code and noticed it is set to all Zeros.
Does anyone have an 01-03 and know, or can check, what their TCU soft code is set to?
I also tried a Throttlebody alignment but it made no difference. Any other ideas why the throttle response would be so touchy when launching? We keep a chapstick in the dash pocket and its a challenge to keep if from flying out when accelerating from a stop. |
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jjvincent Samba Member
Joined: January 11, 2016 Posts: 1267 Location: Bethlehem, PA
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:51 am Post subject: Re: '01 EV transmission TCU soft code, aggressive acceleration |
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TCU is all zeros.
You might want to try removing the throttle body and physically cleaning it. Then go back in and do an adaptation. |
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typetwotool Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:07 am Post subject: Re: '01 EV transmission TCU soft code, aggressive acceleration |
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Is it a drive by wire? Maybe the signal from the pedal is skewed? _________________ Nathan
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:11 am Post subject: Re: '01 EV transmission TCU soft code, aggressive acceleration |
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My '01 is also touchy off the line, so I'll be curious what you find out, especially if a throttle body service takes care of the issue. _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
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typetwotool Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:12 am Post subject: Re: '01 EV transmission TCU soft code, aggressive acceleration |
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Saw this yesterday, forgot to put it in the last post. Maybe this will help?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jde-g_ei1s _________________ Nathan
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markcm2 Samba Member
Joined: September 02, 2015 Posts: 505 Location: Bellingham, Washington
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:33 am Post subject: Re: '01 EV transmission TCU soft code, aggressive acceleration |
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Thanks folks, I will try cleaning the throttlebody and see if that makes any changes.
My idle is fine but I noticed when doing the adaption it seemed to be at around 13% baseline which seemed high.
PS- Thomas EXOVCDS on Youtube is awesome! |
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jjvincent Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:53 am Post subject: Re: '01 EV transmission TCU soft code, aggressive acceleration |
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Just remember, that you got to take the throttle body off of the intake manifold. It just makes cleaning it 110X easier. Since the throttle body is right out in the open, removing the 4 bolts is really easy.
While you are at it, make sure the intake doesn't have a bunch of oil in it either. If the vacuum hose on the PCV is plugged, the blow by all collects in that pipe and runs downhill through the MAF and onto the air filter. So, you won't really know it unless you take the whole pipe off.
In a nutshell, if your going to clean one thing, might as well do the rest while you are in there. |
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markcm2 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 9:53 pm Post subject: Re: '01 EV transmission TCU soft code, aggressive acceleration |
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I cleaned the throttle body today, it did have quite a bit of carbon and crud in there. Then did a TB adaption. Also removed the intake pipe and cleaned it, and some MAF sensor cleaner too.
No change. My accelerator is still jumpy as heck when launching from a stop or at low speeds. If Im on a gravel road and even think about the accelerator, it peels out. |
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typetwotool Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 5:59 am Post subject: Re: '01 EV transmission TCU soft code, aggressive acceleration |
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You could try checking the Intake Manifold Change-Over Valve -N156- ? My EV is a year older and doesn't have this set up so I'm a bit unfamiliar with it but it looks like, under vacuum it routes intake air through a longer path and as you accelerate and lose intake vacuum it switches to a shorter path? Not sure, seems like it would fail by not switching and the van would seem sluggish but maybe there is a problem with the vacuum supply to the valve?
Good luck. _________________ Nathan
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gakali Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: '01 EV transmission TCU soft code, aggressive acceleration |
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Does the pedal seem too easy to press ie. weak or broken return spring?
Intake manifold change-over? Interesting idea. _________________ Why do it? Because you can.
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markcm2 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: '01 EV transmission TCU soft code, aggressive acceleration |
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gakali wrote: |
Does the pedal seem too easy to press ie. weak or broken return spring?
Intake manifold change-over? Interesting idea. |
The pedal force and movement seem pretty normal.
I can dig around with the change-over, I'm not familiar with that but it gives me an area to look.
Thanks. |
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gakali Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: '01 EV transmission TCU soft code, aggressive acceleration |
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What about the pedal position sensor itself? Not sure off hand the value block but maybe give it a look see too. _________________ Why do it? Because you can.
1999 Eurovan
2003 A4 Avant 1.8T Quattro
1992 W201 190e 2.3 Mercedes
2006 W220 S600 V12 Twin Turbo 5.5 Mercedes |
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markcm2 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 8:28 pm Post subject: Re: '01 EV transmission TCU soft code, aggressive acceleration |
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gakali wrote: |
What about the pedal position sensor itself? Not sure off hand the value block but maybe give it a look see too. |
Good idea. I just took a scan while driving. The markers are when the surges occurred.
It does look like there may be a pretty significant step in throttle angle considering I was light footing it and the van just about jumped out from under me. At marker 2, the van instantly (about .5 second according to the timing although it felt instant) jumped from 2k to 2880 RPM and the angle from about 15 to 40 degrees. I was not getting into the throttle much at all.
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jjvincent Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:26 am Post subject: Re: '01 EV transmission TCU soft code, aggressive acceleration |
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Log it again but add into it, the vehicle speed. You might have vehicle speed (VSS) sensor starting to go bad. |
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typetwotool Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: '01 EV transmission TCU soft code, aggressive acceleration |
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I like that log, gotta' figure out how to do that!
To test the accelerator position sensor log display group 062. No need to have the car running just key on. Press the accelerator slowly and look for any jumps in the readings. Focus on display groups 3 and 4. Sensors -G79- and -G185- _________________ Nathan
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markcm2 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: '01 EV transmission TCU soft code, aggressive acceleration |
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typetwotool wrote: |
I like that log, gotta' figure out how to do that!
To test the accelerator position sensor log display group 062. No need to have the car running just key on. Press the accelerator slowly and look for any jumps in the readings. Focus on display groups 3 and 4. Sensors -G79- and -G185- |
I just recorded with vagcom and then opened the file in excel. You can use excel to turn it into a graph too, sometimes a graphical view helps visualize what is going on. Then I used the windows snipping tool to do a screen capture and highlight the sections of interest.
I did some additional logging this morning and will do some more this afternoon after work. |
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