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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 12:53 pm    Post subject: Re: You may think this is dumb Reply with quote

Yep. Now I have the money. No used cases for me. I'm going new.
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 1:04 pm    Post subject: Re: You may think this is dumb Reply with quote

Yeah, it's tough to get any real performance out of one with the stock PICT 34 Carb and Stock Exhaust. But I would think the Type 1 1800cc would have a lot better torque than a stock motor. The CB-2280 Cam is not much cam at all but at least it would help some. I think Port Matching and CC's set for higher compression is all you would need to do to the (SS valve, 3 angle valve job, single HD valve spring L3 Heads) and if you send in your vw intake manifold end castings, to Daren at DRD he can port match your new L3 heads to them for you and set the CC's to your desired compression ratio. But the thing to do is to do this last so you can install the Piston's and Cylinders on the case first and measure the Deck Height.
The AA-Performance I Beam rods are probably ok but they aren't as sexy as the CB-Performance H Beam rods. If you ask me the H-Beams are worth the extra $140 that they cost just to look at them when your put the engine together. They won't need balancing either!

Full flow for sure. My shop just opened the case for a return and I screwed in a Brass Pipe nipple taking care not to tighten it too tight and split my case. I a elcheapo Empi steel full flow oil pump cover it was only $12 dollars at the time but everyone is charging more for them now. The Gene Berg Pressure relief steel pump cover would be much nicer. ANC hose fittings would be great but cost a lot so I just went with hose and clamps and 3/8" Brass Pipe to 1/2" hose fittings on my engine. I ran the remove oil filter cover out to behind my back wheel where it get's a bit of mud on it but I think it helps cooling as I did not do a sump or a extra oil cooler.
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Mock-Up:
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Case and Pump oil flow output both get plugged when using a out only remote cover:
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Full Flow Return Modification to Case:
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With Brass Fitting a Blind L Automotive grade Brass Pipe fitting if using ANC hose fittings this will be a compression fitting:
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 8:07 pm    Post subject: Re: You may think this is dumb Reply with quote

Update: I have a builder lined up for my new longblock. Here's the details.

74mm chromoly counterweighted crank
Cb2880 cheater cam with lifters and gear
AA 88 mm pistons
New AS41 case full flowed
Low profile CB sump

I'm sure there's more details but what remains to be decided is exhaust and carb. I want to stay with a 34pict-3 and run the stock parts like DVDA 205q as well as the altitude corrector. I may consider boring the Venturi to 28 and rejetting or just rejetting. I may consider an A1 Sidewinder just because everything else seems like crap.

Suggestions are appreciated. Parts on order. Build hasn't started yet.
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 9:06 pm    Post subject: Re: You may think this is dumb Reply with quote

What's your intent on the cylinder heads and rocker arms/adjusters?
What static compression ratio ae you aiming for?
Oil filter is in the plans, correct?
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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 5:46 am    Post subject: Re: You may think this is dumb Reply with quote

Aircooled .net L3 heads with stock rockers and solid shafts. External filter. No cooler at first, maybe later. 8.25:1 compression
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:26 am    Post subject: Re: You may think this is dumb Reply with quote

Alstrup wrote:

For me the fun is usable power through simplicty for the people that do not know how to work with dual carbs, linkage etc. but also do not want to settle for stock power.
From the old sales advert. I dont have anymore information.
I very much fall into the above! I purchased the engine below a few years ago and hope to fit it into a baywindow. I want to keep things as simple as possible as I am realizing my mechanical skills are poor. Could I use the modified pic3 carb with success? I would like to remove the oil cooler too and fit a mechanical fuel pump instead of the electric one. Any input would be appreciated.

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From the sales advert when I got it. I dont have anymore information.
2027cc Type 1
Autolinea high roof universal case
Full flowed
Mahle Barrels and pistons
web 86 cam
1.25:1 rockers
Manton Push rods
blueprinted oil pump
CB rotary pump
compression 8.1:1
Fuel injection shroud.
36 Dellorto DRLA with 32 vents - reconditioned by alfa1750 in italy
CB Manifolds 40mm to maintain intake velocity
Mocal 19 row cooler with auto fan.
Mocal Oil Thermostat
Vintage Speed Exhaust.
CB heads
8 Dowel flywheel with Kennedy Stage 1/Kush loc clutch
Bosch SVDA distributor
CB centre pull linkage

I hope the original poster doesn't mind me adding to his thread but it would be an engine close to his opening post.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:10 am    Post subject: Re: You may think this is dumb Reply with quote

I completely forgot about this thread. Thought I'd follow up with some details.

I used a model from John Connolly from Aircooled.net as my guide.

https://www.aircooled.net/1800cc-vw-engine-no-machine-combo/

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It's an 1800cc. Almost all new parts. Case, crank, cam, etc. I had Jeff at GEMVW in Menifee, Ca do the build. I ordered a lot of the parts and had them delivered to Jeff. I anyone is really interested in the details of my build they can contact Jeff. He has all that stored on his computer and calls it "Gary's Engine" I think. I believe he's used this model for a couple other people as well.

I wanted a stock looking engine with more power but driveability. I had Bill Fowler build me the correct 1971 bus distributor (205Q) and Tim at volkzbitz build the Solex 34PICT-3 (correct flange number) for the 1971 bus which included a larger venturi and jets plus the damper and throttle positioner connected to the altitude corrector. The degreed pulley is the heavy Gene Berg on which add weight and lends to a smoother idle.

I did eventually add an external cooler and filter

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The exhaust is an original type 1 that I added two type 3 modified dampers to. This gives me more power but a quiet engine and has all the correct junk for the carb heat risers.

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"Cheater Cam" and compatible lifters came from CB Performance. Heads were L3 from Aircooled.net. Stock rockers. 88mm thick wall pistons and cylinders from AA Performance.

Gotta run. More info on request
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:35 pm    Post subject: Re: You may think this is dumb Reply with quote

I remember the conversation....about the "damper" pipes....which we have on center exit type 4 mufflers as well.

How did those work out?

I have not had a damper pipe in my posession for decades.....and back when I did I never really explored their construction. But from the cokncept and effect.....they are actually "resonators"......meaning the inner pipe "should" be perforated in a limited area and specific location and there is a chamber between the inner pipe and outer pipe that is a dead in chamber.

I know on type 4.....they have a significant quieting effect. Ray
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 1:56 pm    Post subject: Re: You may think this is dumb Reply with quote

How did those work out?

Quite well I think. I used my welder Carlos to do them for me and then had them flame sprayed.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 2:30 pm    Post subject: Re: You may think this is dumb Reply with quote

Very Nice!

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:07 pm    Post subject: Re: You may think this is dumb Reply with quote

nice, is it performing as you expected ? - how does it compare to plain stocker
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:28 pm    Post subject: Re: You may think this is dumb Reply with quote

iamdonquixote wrote:
nice, is it performing as you expected ? - how does it compare to plain stocker


I’d say that my 1800 stroker is pretty comparable to a 2L fuel injected good running bus.
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