Emergency flasher without 9 pin box

[pwmcguire]

I haven't seen this mentioned, I found it pretty useful

http://www.type2.com/library/electris/vw-9prong.html

[ataraxia]

[KTPhil]

I don't think so. The diameter of the shaft may be different. It has the same red lens, but a rubber surround.

To keep the original switch, you'll have to work up an alternate relay set.

[jmacgreg]

I want the dash on my car to remain stock appearing. If I get a late model switch, will the 1966 button fit it?

[KTPhil]

In '66 there was a 6V version of that 9-pin relay.

Back when they were available, I installed one in my '65 to get 4-ways.

[jmacgreg]

I will look for another flasher relay in the classifieds. I'm really curious though as to how the flashers worked when the car was 6volt.

[KTPhil]

I would search the classifieds for a late model 4-way switch, and sire it according to the later wiring diagram. Stock parts, reliability, cheap relay.

[glutamodo]

And that's a standard Euro-specification 3-terminal (grounded) flasher relay, which the vast majority of all VWs used from 1971-2 to 1998. It does not do any "logic" of e-flashers... that would require a VW emergency flasher switch or various combinations of relays to effect.
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[jmacgreg]

Here's a picture of the terminals on the relay

[KTPhil]

The silver relay on the left in your photo is for the headlights, so ignore that one.

The relay next to it is your turn signal relay. Can you get a photo is the connectors?

Ideally you'd dismount it and take a photo showing where the wires go, so we know what you have. But I am guessing you have a normal turn-signal-only relay and the 4-ways are left out of the system. You'll need the 9-pin relay or equivalent in order to make the 4-way flashers work.

There are two ways to go:
1) 9-pin relay, wired like a stock '67. This uses an expensive relay, but the wimple stock switch.
2) Simple modern relay, and use a later model 4-way switch that has the complex logic in it to work both turn signals and 4-ways off the simple relay. This is the stock setup on later models.

Back in the day I preferred #1 but that was when the relays were still available and not too expensive. But relays wear out faster than switches, so the better setup would be #2, and it still uses stock parts.

Other threads have covered this, I think. I haven't done it (no longer have the old Bugs) but its been done successfully and I believe did not require a different turn signal switch.

[jmacgreg]

Don't know if this is the correct place to post, so apologies if it isn't. I recently purchased a 1966 bug. It has been converted to 12 volt and everything works as it should except the emergency flasher which isn't wired to anything. I've tried to muddle my way through the various wiring schematics and posts on the subject with no success. A picture of what I've got is posted below. Thanks in advance for any help.

[ataraxia]

I have two different versions of this relay:

I found this diagram online that appears to match my relays:

Based on the diagram posted using the 2 flasher relay system and the 1966 switch, I should be using the Normally Open, Common and Coil connections, correct? When I pull on the emergency light switch, it activates the coil which then closes the circuit to activate the lights, correct?

[runamoc]

[ataraxia]

[modok]

i went through this just yesterday!
i went ahead and found out why it has 9 terminals, because in some busses, it runs the brake lights through it too, but bugs just use 7 pins.

I found two that did not blink, but the relay for the flashers worked..... so I took it apart, removed all the parts of the blinker portion, soldered on three wires for a three terminal flasher. i wanted to put the three terminal flasher INSIDE the big box, but it didn't quite fit, so it's strapped to the side. works well and does preserve the original wire locations and colors, so the next guy might be a little confused, but not totally lost.
If it was ME I'd just use a nice toggle switch, but for other forlks I try to restore rather than restroy .

[KTPhil]

[doc73]

By the way I did notice when the e flashers were on, the interior light was dimming slightly to the pulse of the flashing. Car is 12v but would this be pretty common power drain with the car not running? Or is something amiss?
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66 fastback (sunroof)

[doc73]

Thanks for all the input. Everything is now in working order. The wiring diagram for 1967 on was the diagram I needed for my 66 that has been converted to 12v.
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Speed Leaving Without Warning . . .

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66 fastback (sunroof)

[Aynthm]

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