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Beetle1966 Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2016 Posts: 11 Location: Rheinland-Pfalz Germany
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:39 am Post subject: 1500 44 PS VW beetle 1967 |
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G’day,
I have just finished restoring my 1500 44PS 1967 beetle (matching numbers, H-Motor). At this moment, I am having trouble with the engine running as it should. Number 1 and 2 are staying cool while number 3 and 4 are running at a normal temperature. When idling and running up to 1300 rpm, the engine runs quite okay. After that, I had the impression that the engine sounded very limpy or dragy. The compression is okay (all four of them are between 8 and 8.5). I still have to check if there is no air leak on the single port side (No.1 and No.2).
I would really appreciate any advice. Thank you in advance.
Benno
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67ctbug Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:44 am Post subject: Re: 1500 44 PS VW beetle 1966 |
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I'm not really helping, but that's a '67. _________________ '67 Beetle L41
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Beetle1966 Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2016 Posts: 11 Location: Rheinland-Pfalz Germany
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:15 am Post subject: Re: 1500 44 PS VW beetle 1966 |
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67ctbug wrote: |
I'm not really helping, but that's a '67. |
Thank you noticing the error. Sorry, I don't know where the 66 came from. Anyway, I made the correction. |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34003 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:21 am Post subject: Re: 1500 44 PS VW beetle 1967 |
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Nice looking car. My brother had a Euro '67 (1500, 6V, covered headlights, front discs, etc), and we all loved that car.
If one side is running hotter or cooler, I'd check for any obstruction in the fan housing, loose flaps/rods with the thermostat mechanisms, check if all tins are in place, then check for air leaks at the manifold causing lean/hot running, and even exhaust and heat exchanger leaks or other failures. Then dig a little deeper and check valve adjustments and plug color.
When did this problem first show itself? Was it uneven before the restoration, or is it new? What all was done on the motor?
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bluebus86 Banned
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 11075
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: 1500 44 PS VW beetle 1967 |
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yes, check for an intake air leak on that side, a squirt of carb cleaner or propane should find the leak if present. take a look at all 4 spark plugs, see if one side looks different. also ohm out the spark wires, and cap.
also recheck valve clearances.
oh and double check the spark wires are not going to the wrong plug, done that before!
good luck
ps very nice looking car, you done good _________________ Help Prevent VW Engine Fires, see this link.....Engine safety wire information
Stop introducing dirt into your oil when adjusting valves ... https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=683022 |
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Beetle1966 Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2016 Posts: 11 Location: Rheinland-Pfalz Germany
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:51 pm Post subject: Re: 1500 44 PS VW beetle 1967 |
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KTPhil wrote: |
Nice looking car. My brother had a Euro '67 (1500, 6V, covered headlights, front discs, etc), and we all loved that car.
If one side is running hotter or cooler, I'd check for any obstruction in the fan housing, loose flaps/rods with the thermostat mechanisms, check if all tins are in place, then check for air leaks at the manifold causing lean/hot running, and even exhaust and heat exchanger leaks or other failures. Then dig a little deeper and check valve adjustments and plug color.
When did this problem first show itself? Was it uneven before the restoration, or id it new? What all was done on the motor? |
Thank you for the quick reply.
The fan housing is okay. All the mechanisms have been fitted correctly. The same goes for all tins. The only thing I noticed was the copper gasket on the inlet manifold (1-2) not being in the right place, which wasn’t sealing properly as it should. After taking the manifold off, the copper gasket showed on one side that it wasn't compressed (as it should). It didn’t give me the impression that it was sealing properly.
I will give it a go tomorrow. It’s too late here right now as it is 9:45 PM (CET). I will let you know if it was successful. Before and after the restoration, the motor was left alone and was running well. |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34003 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 1:09 pm Post subject: Re: 1500 44 PS VW beetle 1967 |
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Beetle1966 wrote: |
The only thing I noticed was the copper gasket on the inlet manifold (1-2) not being in the right place, which wasn’t sealing properly as it should. After taking the manifold off, the copper gasket showed on one side that it wasn't compressed (as it should). It didn’t give me the impression that it was sealing properly. |
This is likely your issue. On single port heads, often such gaskets get squashed into the head, and it just looks like the metal of the head. Then if you put ANOTHER gasket on, it won't seal or sit flush, causing your lean condition on that side.
I found a photo in the gallery illustrating this. (in this case, the copper is mashed and there is a second steel washer above it. If these were swapped, the steel would look like the aluminum head material.
Here is a thread with a photo of just such a case:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=642632
I'd pull the manifold and check both sides very carefully. |
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Beetle1966 Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2016 Posts: 11 Location: Rheinland-Pfalz Germany
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2016 11:09 am Post subject: Re: 1500 44 PS VW beetle 1967 |
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G’day,
Guess what I have found when I took the inlet manifold off? I found double sealing washers on both sides. The upper copper ones for no.1 and no.2 did not seal properly. Half of the copper ring wasn’t squashed properly as it should’ve been. This lead to an unwanted amount of air, getting sucked in. I took the old ones out, assembled the lot, started the motor and “Bingo”, the motor ran like a “Beauty”, as he should.
Thank you all for the big help.
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rcroane Samba Member
Joined: January 03, 2013 Posts: 2000 Location: Springfield, Virginia
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2016 11:45 am Post subject: Re: 1500 44 PS VW beetle 1967 |
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It's so cool when someone posts an issue like this and how quickly it got solved with just a few posts from the experts.
Well done!
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Rome Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2016 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: 1500 44 PS VW beetle 1967 |
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You have a beautifully done Beetle, Benno. Now that the engine runs well, go out and drive it alot!
Page 4 of the registration document shows "Jahr 1966"- this could've been the source of confusion. Here in the USA we go by the model year (1967), compared to much of Europe's "date of first registration". |
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Beetle1966 Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2016 Posts: 11 Location: Rheinland-Pfalz Germany
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:33 am Post subject: Re: 1500 44 PS VW beetle 1967 |
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G’day,
I had another good day in the garage. The motor is still running well, but I had to adjust the valve clearance. I also checked the pressure on all 4 pots and I was happy with the kilometres the car has done (close to 97000 km). Next step will be cleaning the car, which is really necessary. The rubbers still need to go on the rims. Then the car will be ready for some more photos.
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Slow 1200 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:53 am Post subject: Re: 1500 44 PS VW beetle 1967 |
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Zenith Blue 67s rock!
nice job painting the rims, it will look a lot better! |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:27 pm Post subject: Re: 1500 44 PS VW beetle 1967 |
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Slow 1200 wrote: |
Zenith Blue 67s rock!
nice job painting the rims, it will look a lot better! |
Damn right they rock!
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Beetle1966, Your car is just beautiful. Nice work.
Any chance you have a pic of the front brake setup without the wheel on? It's disc brakes right? _________________ I have learned over the years.
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KTPhil Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:58 pm Post subject: Re: 1500 44 PS VW beetle 1967 |
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Should be disc brakes off the similar vintage Ghia. That's why it has 4-lug wheels, unlike the USA (drum) models with 5-lugs. |
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Beetle1966 Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2016 Posts: 11 Location: Rheinland-Pfalz Germany
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 1:23 pm Post subject: Re: 1500 44 PS VW beetle 1967 |
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67rustavenger wrote: |
Slow 1200 wrote: |
Zenith Blue 67s rock!
nice job painting the rims, it will look a lot better! |
Beetle1966, Your car is just beautiful. Nice work.
Any chance you have a pic of the front brake setup without the wheel on? It's disc brakes right? |
Okay, tomorrow is Sunday. No work, a day to have barbecue. On Monday, I will take a front wheel off and take a photo of the disk assembly. It’ll be done in a jiffy, mate. |
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Beetle1966 Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2016 Posts: 11 Location: Rheinland-Pfalz Germany
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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:24 am Post subject: Re: 1500 44 PS VW beetle 1967 |
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Here is something off-topic for a moment:
There’s something that just crossed my mind. A long time ago (1986), my family and I visited L.A.. At that time, we booked a room at the HEIDI Motel. There we met Chucks from Chucks’ convertible. After all those years, I lost contact with this fantastic man. After arriving in L.A., he even took us out for lunch. The attached photo shows him on the right hand side, the other one is, guess who, me.
I wonder if anyone knows Chuck. I would really appreciate anyone’s help in finding him.
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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:35 am Post subject: Re: 1500 44 PS VW beetle 1967 |
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Have you been to his website?
https://chucksconvertibleparts.com/ _________________ Andy T.
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I do not know how to fix this. All I can say is it all works fine for me with what I use, Firefox. |
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Beetle1966 Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2016 Posts: 11 Location: Rheinland-Pfalz Germany
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 8:21 am Post subject: Re: 1500 44 PS VW beetle 1967 |
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Beetle1966 wrote: |
67rustavenger wrote: |
Slow 1200 wrote: |
Zenith Blue 67s rock!
nice job painting the rims, it will look a lot better! |
Beetle1966, Your car is just beautiful. Nice work.
Any chance you have a pic of the front brake setup without the wheel on? It's disc brakes right? |
Okay, tomorrow is Sunday. No work, a day to have barbecue. On Monday, I will take a front wheel off and take a photo of the disk assembly. It’ll be done in a jiffy, mate. |
I hope that these photos are showing what you want to see. As you can see, I still need to clean up the lot. The disc assembly is from ATE.
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Beetle1966 Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2016 Posts: 11 Location: Rheinland-Pfalz Germany
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:52 am Post subject: Re: 1500 44 PS VW beetle 1967 |
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I need someone’s advice on how to get the 6 Volt horn working properly. In default mode (engine off, ignition on, 5.5V messured on the horn), it just gurgles. When the engine is running, the horn works fine. Is there anything I can do to improve that? |
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Herrbern Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:00 am Post subject: Re: 1500 44 PS VW beetle 1967 |
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Beetle1966 wrote: |
G’day,
I had another good day in the garage. The motor is still running well, but I had to adjust the valve clearance. I also checked the pressure on all 4 pots and I was happy with the kilometres the car has done (close to 97000 km). Next step will be cleaning the car, which is really necessary. The rubbers still need to go on the rims. Then the car will be ready for some more photos.
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This is a great paint job. What color ref did you use , because these rims are looking like stock.
By the way, congrats for your 1500 67. This is a rare combination in Europe. And is is looking complete. So thake care of this beauty. |
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