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otherbeach Samba Member
Joined: September 15, 2016 Posts: 281 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:15 pm Post subject: Has anyone collected price history or seasonal trends data? |
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Has anyone collected price history for Type 2s, either specific to this Forum's 1955-1967 subject, or in general on all Type 2s? Opinions are fine, but a time-series dataset would be great.
The history might come from your own notes on Classified sales or Ebay or other searches.
Has anyone noticed clear and quantifiable trends in seasonal pricing?
Has anyone noted the typical spread between purchase and ask?
Let me state some caveats. I recognize there is an official forum topic for whine about prices. That isnt where I want to go here.
Various TheSamba.com Forum searches and keyword searches did not get me anything current or on this specific question.
I recognize that there are seasonal pricing differences and that prices go up or down in some seasons. Examples and/or hard data would be nice.
As a bit of background I did this myself on a type of collector car that I was following before purchasing one and used several types of statistical analysis on my data then. |
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oldthingguy Samba Member
Joined: December 02, 2007 Posts: 146 Location: California
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: Has anyone collected price history or seasonal trends data? |
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I do know that they keep rising since I entered the VW world 40 years ago. I don't have enough patience to graph the trends, if I like a car I will do a little homework and then start looking. If I take too long I get priced out of the market, happened to me awhile back with 912's. In the course of a year they rose approx. 50% - my bad. _________________ 73 914 2.0 - sold
63 single cab
73, 73 and 74 Thing - gone
64 notch - gone
60 23 window - gone
57 oval - gone
plus a few others I should have kept |
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Clara Samba Member
Joined: June 14, 2003 Posts: 12384
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:37 pm Post subject: Re: Has anyone collected price history or seasonal trends data? |
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There are a number of models (seven or more)
differences between years
and then condition. Lots of variable to compare.
If you want to figure out what to pay for a bus, or what to ask, watch the classifieds for a while to get an idea of current prices.
do some analysis and let us know what you find! _________________ The Obsolete Air-Cooled Documentation Project http://oacdp.org/ |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69734 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 10:07 pm Post subject: Re: Has anyone collected price history or seasonal trends data? |
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I haven't kept track but my opinion is that cars sell for more in Spring/Summer as there is more demand at that time.
People want to buy something to use during times of the year that you can drive.
This goes for all types of collector cars.
Asking price vs. Actual sales price:
This is very hard to know.
1. People lie about pricing.
2. Sales price often depends on asking price.
I've bought cars for WAY less than asking and I've paid full price even when it was top dollar at the time.
I can't speak to averages.
If we are talking about general pricing, prices have pretty much risen non-stop for many years. _________________ How to Post Photos
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Malokin Martin Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:48 am Post subject: Re: Has anyone collected price history or seasonal trends data? |
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I feel the pricing of VW's is a lot like buying a motorcycle: When the weather gets bad, most casual buyers (the bulk of buyers) forget them.
It's likely pretty standard for any summer item: November/December/January are the sweet spots.
Preferably about a week before the end of the month (end of paycheck), just before a major holiday and right before tax season. |
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otherbeach Samba Member
Joined: September 15, 2016 Posts: 281 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: Has anyone collected price history or seasonal trends data? |
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Thanks to TheSamba's RSS feed, there is a XML datasource I can use from the Classified part of the site.
Unfortunately sellers provide a wide variety of price formats. Some formats say $0000 some say $0000.00 ...some say $0K.
Years and models are also embedded in the description and I havent extracted them yet.
So answering my own question for today anyway
But this is what I got for today's listing (USA Type 2 in this Forum only).
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Mean Std Dev Min Maximum Mode Range N
28737.75 24081.84 0 130000 15000 130000 184
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Hokie87 Samba Member
Joined: May 27, 2010 Posts: 280 Location: Richmond, VA
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: Has anyone collected price history or seasonal trends data? |
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Your stats are based on asking price data rather than actual sale data.
As Everett mentioned, there is often a big difference. Appraisers use actual sale data but I'm not sure where they get it...DMV data, tax records...Brandon? |
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otherbeach Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:57 pm Post subject: Re: Has anyone collected price history or seasonal trends data? |
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Agreed, but TheSamba asking prices are the only data available. I havent done my Ebay analysis with sold prices yet. |
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otherbeach Samba Member
Joined: September 15, 2016 Posts: 281 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:09 am Post subject: Re: Has anyone collected price history or seasonal trends data? |
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otherbeach wrote: |
Agreed, but TheSamba asking prices are the only data available. I havent done my Ebay analysis with sold prices yet. |
I think that I will continue with my TheSamba classified analysis. Ebay does not provide easily accessible historic data. I can parse Ebay, but that takes awhile.
Here is just one example of a "sold" and doesnt seem great to me.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Volkswagen-Bus-Vanagon-21-...2183285773
In general there isnt much "sold" data on Ebay...yes some, but not lots. |
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otherbeach Samba Member
Joined: September 15, 2016 Posts: 281 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 2:43 pm Post subject: Re: Has anyone collected price history or seasonal trends data? |
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More Analysis from 15Oct16
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Summary Tables 16:36 Saturday, October 15, 2016 1
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| | Model |
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| | Camper | Deluxe | |
| |--------------------------------------+--------------------------------------| Double Cab |
| | | | askprice | | | askprice |------------|
| | askprice | askprice |------------| askprice | askprice |------------| askprice |
| |------------+------------| Standard |------------+------------| Standard |------------|
| | Maximum | Average | Deviation | Maximum | Average | Deviation | Maximum |
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|yearis | | | | | | | |
|-------------------------------| | | | | | | |
| | 104000.00| 53997.50| 70714.21| 76900.00| 45966.67| 29998.39| 0.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1953 | .| .| .| 130000.00| 130000.00| .| .|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1954 | .| .| .| .| .| .| .|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1955 | .| .| .| .| .| .| .|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1956 | .| .| .| .| .| .| .|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1957 | .| .| .| .| .| .| .|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1958 | .| .| .| 46000.00| 46000.00| .| 75000.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1959 | .| .| .| 149975.00| 149975.00| .| 39950.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1960 | .| .| .| 29000.00| 29000.00| .| 49995.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1961 | 65000.00| 52500.00| 17677.67| 58000.00| 58000.00| .| 195000.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1962 | 13000.00| 10750.00| 2958.04| 119900.00| 66466.67| 47396.24| .|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1963 | 32500.00| 18750.00| 19445.44| 76000.00| 76000.00| .| 68000.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1964 | 49500.00| 23725.00| 19454.28| 139000.00| 81375.00| 56349.17| 68000.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1965 | 65000.00| 35373.75| 23626.34| 90000.00| 40375.00| 35396.27| .|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1966 | 35000.00| 18333.33| 14742.23| 70000.00| 54750.00| 21566.76| 41000.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1967 | 130000.00| 37725.00| 41024.76| .| .| .| 35000.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1969 | .| .| .| .| .| .| .|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|Total | 130000.00| 30575.52| 30350.37| 149975.00| 64671.59| 42602.26| 195000.00|
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Summary Tables 16:36 Saturday, October 15, 2016 2
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| | Model |
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| | Double Cab | Kombi | |
| |-------------------------+--------------------------------------| Other |
| | | askprice | | | askprice |-------------------------|
| | askprice |------------| askprice | askprice |------------| askprice | askprice |
| |------------| Standard |------------+------------| Standard |------------+------------|
| | Average | Deviation | Maximum | Average | Deviation | Maximum | Average |
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|yearis | | | | | | | |
|-------------------------------| | | | | | | |
| | 0.00| .| 45000.00| 31820.00| 10593.49| 95000.00| 30637.95|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1953 | .| .| .| .| .| 6000.00| 6000.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1954 | .| .| .| .| .| .| .|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1955 | .| .| .| .| .| 74000.00| 74000.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1956 | .| .| .| .| .| 170000.00| 170000.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1957 | .| .| 20500.00| 20500.00| .| .| .|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1958 | 75000.00| .| .| .| .| 45000.00| 30998.33|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1959 | 28725.00| 15874.55| 78000.00| 49000.00| 41012.19| 24500.00| 19000.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1960 | 49995.00| .| 50000.00| 50000.00| .| 165000.00| 59491.67|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1961 | 84750.00| 74922.74| .| .| .| 37000.00| 20583.33|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1962 | .| .| 56000.00| 29375.00| 37653.44| 71000.00| 28175.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1963 | 39642.71| 22244.51| 6750.00| 6750.00| .| 90000.00| 36460.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1964 | 46500.00| 30405.59| 40000.00| 40000.00| .| 110000.00| 34615.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1965 | .| .| 18500.00| 11500.00| 9899.49| 55000.00| 22555.29|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1966 | 37000.00| 5656.85| 22000.00| 22000.00| .| 85000.00| 27382.92|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1967 | 25766.67| 14295.57| .| .| .| 65000.00| 27061.75|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1969 | .| .| .| .| .| 45000.00| 26850.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|Total | 45358.43| 38533.66| 78000.00| 29881.25| 20437.06| 170000.00| 32228.12|
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| | Model |
| |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| | Other | Panel | Single Cab |
| |------------+--------------------------------------+--------------------------------------|
| | askprice | | | askprice | | | askprice |
| |------------| askprice | askprice |------------| askprice | askprice |------------|
| | Standard |------------+------------| Standard |------------+------------| Standard |
| | Deviation | Maximum | Average | Deviation | Maximum | Average | Deviation |
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|yearis | | | | | | | |
|-------------------------------| | | | | | | |
| | 25990.94| 20000.00| 15000.00| 6245.00| 25000.00| 17500.00| 7593.86|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1953 | .| .| .| .| .| .| .|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1954 | .| .| .| .| 60000.00| 60000.00| .|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1955 | .| 74500.00| 74500.00| .| .| .| .|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1956 | .| .| .| .| 14500.00| 14500.00| .|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1957 | .| 65000.00| 32166.67| 28444.39| 39500.00| 39500.00| .|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1958 | 20077.72| 27000.00| 16833.33| 12065.79| .| .| .|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1959 | 7778.17| 29500.00| 18750.00| 9450.53| 27000.00| 19750.00| 10253.05|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1960 | 56014.20| 25000.00| 14125.00| 8488.96| 19000.00| 17500.00| 2121.32|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1961 | 16132.91| 25000.00| 16495.00| 7703.74| 16500.00| 16500.00| .|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1962 | 32238.32| 70000.00| 36750.00| 47022.60| 17500.00| 12550.00| 4687.93|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1963 | 38621.34| 14900.00| 14900.00| .| 135000.00| 55750.00| 55180.76|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1964 | 34740.29| 10500.00| 10500.00| .| 4800.00| 4800.00| .|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1965 | 13128.62| 43000.00| 28750.00| 20152.54| .| .| .|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1966 | 24379.91| .| .| .| .| .| .|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1967 | 20056.55| .| .| .| .| .| .|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1969 | 25667.98| .| .| .| .| .| .|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|Total | 31491.10| 74500.00| 22505.19| 19477.63| 135000.00| 26333.33| 28518.98|
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| | Model | |
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| | Standard | Walk Thru | |
| |--------------------------------------+--------------------------------------| Total |
| | | | askprice | | | askprice |------------|
| | askprice | askprice |------------| askprice | askprice |------------| askprice |
| |------------+------------| Standard |------------+------------| Standard |------------|
| | Maximum | Average | Deviation | Maximum | Average | Deviation | Maximum |
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|yearis | | | | | | | |
|-------------------------------| | | | | | | |
| | 21500.00| 17750.00| 5303.30| 36000.00| 21175.00| 10713.97| 104000.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1953 | .| .| .| .| .| .| 130000.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1954 | .| .| .| .| .| .| 60000.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1955 | 55000.00| 55000.00| .| .| .| .| 74500.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1956 | .| .| .| .| .| .| 170000.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1957 | .| .| .| .| .| .| 65000.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1958 | .| .| .| .| .| .| 75000.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1959 | .| .| .| 27995.00| 27995.00| .| 149975.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1960 | .| .| .| 24500.00| 24500.00| .| 165000.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1961 | .| .| .| 21999.00| 21999.00| .| 195000.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1962 | .| .| .| .| .| .| 119900.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1963 | .| .| .| 22000.00| 22000.00| .| 135000.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1964 | .| .| .| 75000.00| 60750.00| 20152.54| 139000.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1965 | 27000.00| 17500.00| 10331.99| 39900.00| 17892.86| 14985.50| 90000.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1966 | 15500.00| 15500.00| .| 105000.00| 46605.56| 32583.95| 105000.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1967 | .| .| .| 69000.00| 33722.11| 23092.52| 130000.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|1969 | .| .| .| .| .| .| 45000.00|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------|
|Total | 55000.00| 22642.86| 15635.73| 105000.00| 32882.66| 24593.32| 195000.00|
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| | Total |
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| | | askprice |
| | askprice |------------|
| |------------| Standard |
| | Average | Deviation |
|-------------------------------+------------+------------|
|yearis | | |
|-------------------------------| | |
| | 28570.22| 24366.86|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------|
|1953 | 68000.00| 87681.24|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------|
|1954 | 60000.00| .|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------|
|1955 | 67833.33| 11116.80|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------|
|1956 | 92250.00| 109955.10|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------|
|1957 | 31300.00| 21238.53|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------|
|1958 | 33061.88| 23380.30|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------|
|1959 | 35936.15| 38487.27|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------|
|1960 | 37621.56| 38599.99|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------|
|1961 | 43448.93| 46233.16|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------|
|1962 | 28292.11| 31685.38|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------|
|1963 | 38179.50| 33586.99|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------|
|1964 | 41454.00| 37667.86|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------|
|1965 | 24361.64| 18592.61|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------|
|1966 | 34134.83| 26274.66|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------|
|1967 | 32110.46| 27129.40|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------|
|1969 | 26850.00| 25667.98|
|-------------------------------+------------+------------|
|Total | 34094.43| 31682.67|
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otherbeach Samba Member
Joined: September 15, 2016 Posts: 281 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: Has anyone collected price history or seasonal trends data? |
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I am continuing to analyze and play with data from classifieds for USA Split Buses. There is a form of analysis called "textual analysis" and you may have heard of a concept of "word clouds" to visualize text "sets". Yesterday I parsed 280+ classified ad detail descriptions of USA Splits. I then did word counts on the text in the ads, eliminating common, irrelevant, or HTML-oriented words. The results are below.
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Row word
number count word
1 667 BUS
2 525 NEW
3 387 ORIGINAL
4 328 FRONT
5 263 REAR
6 227 ENGINE
7 185 RUST
8 173 VW
9 172 WINDOW
10 171 VERY
11 148 PAINT
12 143 UP
13 141 INTERIOR
14 138 WORK
15 136 OUT
16 133 ONLY
17 133 YEARS
18 130 PLEASE
19 124 GOOD
20 123 DOOR
21 122 PARTS
22 119 FLOOR
23 113 GREAT
24 113 MOTOR
25 109 SOLID
26 106 SEAT
27 105 JUST
28 103 BACK
29 96 NICE
30 94 TIME
31 93 BRAKES
32 92 CONDITION
33 91 SEATS
34 90 WINDOWS
35 89 INSTALLED
36 89 STILL
37 88 PANELS
38 87 FUNCTION
39 85 PICTURES
40 83 CLEAN
41 83 NEEDS
42 81 REBUILT
43 81 TIRES
44 79 CARGO
45 79 OTHER
46 78 LIKE
47 78 SIDE
48 77 COMPLETE
49 77 ROOF
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crukab Samba Chef
Joined: December 13, 2002 Posts: 6115 Location: Vermont
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:07 pm Post subject: Re: Has anyone collected price history or seasonal trends data? |
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So you are doing this to buy a Bus ?? _________________ Tom
My Pops:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=604100&highlight=
I know you will always be with me, rest in peace with no more pain. 8/13/14.....
In the yard right now:
'51 Dodge 5 window truck
'65 Bug
'66 Singlecab
'82 Rabbit Truck Diesel from CALI
'86 Doublecab W/T
'91 Vanagon carat/wolfsbrg.Tiico
'88 Dodge Ram pickup
'11 Jetta Wagon |
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otherbeach Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: Has anyone collected price history or seasonal trends data? |
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crukab wrote: |
So you are doing this to buy a Bus ?? |
Eventually yes. If members prefer that I stop posting, I can stop. Hoping that people find it useful though. |
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crukab Samba Chef
Joined: December 13, 2002 Posts: 6115 Location: Vermont
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: Has anyone collected price history or seasonal trends data? |
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otherbeach wrote: |
crukab wrote: |
So you are doing this to buy a Bus ?? |
Eventually yes. If members prefer that I stop posting, I can stop. Hoping that people find it useful though. |
Hey Man, whatever it takes to get another Bus fan roll'en behind the wheel of a Split is fine w/ me. _________________ Tom
My Pops:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=604100&highlight=
I know you will always be with me, rest in peace with no more pain. 8/13/14.....
In the yard right now:
'51 Dodge 5 window truck
'65 Bug
'66 Singlecab
'82 Rabbit Truck Diesel from CALI
'86 Doublecab W/T
'91 Vanagon carat/wolfsbrg.Tiico
'88 Dodge Ram pickup
'11 Jetta Wagon |
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Starbucket Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: Has anyone collected price history or seasonal trends data? |
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If you buy an old bus because the trend is you will make good money on it in a couple of years, you will never enjoy your bus as you will be afraid to drive it or park and leave it anywhere. Buy a good one and drive the wheels off of it. People will stop and talk about their old VWs. It's really cool to drive the only "car" that's a stand out every where you go. Once you are hooked you will never sell it unless you find a better one. |
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otherbeach Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: Has anyone collected price history or seasonal trends data? |
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Starbucket wrote: |
If you buy an old bus because the trend is you will make good money on it in a couple of years, you will never enjoy your bus as you will be afraid to drive it or park and leave it anywhere. Buy a good one and drive the wheels off of it. People will stop and talk about their old VWs. It's really cool to drive the only "car" that's a stand out every where you go. Once you are hooked you will never sell it unless you find a better one. |
Yes, thanks! This advice, previous advice on my post, and Forum history is all useful. Dont get me wrong, I am not doing this as an investment alone or worrying about not driving it because of impact on value. Your reasons are way better and I agree with them! But this exercise in analysis is interesting to me and in a way useful, but frankly I like the advice in the "Official Good Deals on Buses" sticky forum better than my analysis as a basis for decision. |
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edgood1 Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2004 Posts: 2048 Location: Plymouth, MA
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:48 am Post subject: Re: Has anyone collected price history or seasonal trends data? |
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I did this on the vanagon forum a few years back. Start a thread asking people to post real world sale/purchase prices. The asking prices in classifieds can be way off base. You need real world data.
The folks in the vanagon forum are very friendly and were happy to provide a lot of data points . It ultimately confirmed that a lot of the vanagon ads were completely out of touch with the market
Ymmv _________________ 1987 Syncro Westfalia powered by Subaru
1963 Panel to Deluxe Bus project :::: (photo album)
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bubba Samba Member
Joined: May 09, 2004 Posts: 2531 Location: Florida
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 5:43 am Post subject: Re: Has anyone collected price history or seasonal trends data? |
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I think you are a little off on your singlecab pricing ... barndoor for 6k! i will take 4 of them please!! HAHA But i like where you are going.. I just wish it would all come crashing down.. I relay miss the days of cheap buses and parts! Today it seems like a game of who can sell shit for the most money! I saw a set of split beetle 16" wheels for 4 thousand dollars.. Unrestored! Shit is out of control!! _________________ ***WANTED***
SO-23 Cargo net hooks...
for sale
curtain Bungee cords for SO23, 22, 33 ,34 ,35
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1587591 |
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otherbeach Samba Member
Joined: September 15, 2016 Posts: 281 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:04 am Post subject: Re: Has anyone collected price history or seasonal trends data? |
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bubba wrote: |
I think you are a little off on your singlecab pricing ... barndoor for 6k! i will take 4 of them please!! HAHA But i like where you are going.. I just wish it would all come crashing down.. I relay miss the days of cheap buses and parts! Today it seems like a game of who can sell shit for the most money! I saw a set of split beetle 16" wheels for 4 thousand dollars.. Unrestored! Shit is out of control!! |
Hmm...appreciate the feedback. You identified an error in my data extraction...I better look at that! Thanks! |
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