California National Guard Bonus Scandle

[rockerarm]

Just heard of this yesterday. But I heard a yellow bird tell me about 6 years ago that something was afoul here when some JAG's were put on active orders out at March Air Reserve Base. I spent 20+ years in the CARNG. I'm so glad I'm out. Proud off what I did and of the uniform I wore. But this is inexcusable.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-national-guard-bonus-20161020-snap-story.html

In the event any of my fellow troops get wrapped up in something like this read up on this.


http://www.texvet.com/blogs/pjefferies/understanding-your-rights-when-army-cid-comes-knocking

Bill. NCO's lead the way

[Cali_Army_Guy]

I'm curious if I'll get something in the mail. I was in from 2002-2006 and spent Jan 2003 - Sept 2004 in Iraq. I'm a combat vet and got a bonus. If they want it back they can take out of my benifits when I'm dead. They can go fuck themselves. And good luck garnishing my check. I get the maximum amout by law taken out for child support so nothing else can garnish my check. And I know this for a fact as others have tried and been denied.


Edit: never mind, this looks like it is only for people who served in the Guard.
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[Zundfolge1432]

Truth is veterans have been getting shitty end of the stick for a long time. Study history go bak to 1932, look at the bonus march. Vets went to Washington and got shot for their troubles. Broken promises, public professes to care but do they?

[Air-Cooled Head]

[rockerarm]

Update. Current Sec of Defense, Ash Carter ordering the Pentagon to temporarily suspend the collection of money from Calif Guard troops.
Thank you, sir.

http://www.defense.gov/News/News-Releases/News-Rel...ovDelivery

[c21darrel]

Congrats Ash. They knew for years but it was ok til the Times article put it out into the public. Then they had to do something.
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[my59]

While those given the 'illegal' bonuses were being screwed by the govt to pony up, what was happening up the chain of command that authorized the payments?
Let's see if the Times follows up on the real story.
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[Cali_Army_Guy]

[nsracing]

Of course, Uncle Sam is ungrateful.

Just look back in history how the military has treated many of us.

Back in the day, they said Agent Orange was harmless to humans. People even cooled themselves w/ it.

Sad all the way around.

[TDCTDI]

[bigdog1962]

Even if it is in writing, they don't always honor it.

I took the oath, had it in writing both in my contract and in the selection board as coming in as a CPT. 6 months later, they said "Oh, we made a mistake. You should have come in as a 1LT." My commander let me wear the bars as I appealed it twice. Both denied. The second denial letter addressed me as CPT.

By the time the second appeal was finished and I received notification, I was promoted to CPT. 8 years later, I decided to get out.
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[raygreenwood]

Dudes.....its correct to be outraged at this.....just be sure you are outraged at the CORRECT PEOPLE.

This program was NOT administered by the Pentagon. It was FUNDED at the Pentagon level....but National guard, national guard enlistment and national guard re-enlistment.....are fully a STATE function. National guard only comes under "Federal" control when they are pulled in at times of war.

The Pentagon wanted to retain nationap guardsmen that had specialized skills, or had been deployed numerous times with lots of experience.

They cooked up and funded an incentive program for re-enlistment. That program had explicit qualifications (skills list, tours of duty documentation, judicial status if any and peronnel records qualifications).....required to be met by the troops to make sure they were eligible for the payments.

That program of eligibility was fully administered by the state.....not the federal government. There is evidence appearing that at the same time there were quota competitions among recruiting officers with bonuses to be paid for highest recruiting levels....at the recruiting officer level and at levels above them.

Cut to this point in time.....ever since the "sequestration".....which has gutted the military and shredded our maintenance and readniness programs.....and the Pentagon has been for at least,two years now.....on a crash program to cut waste at every level to save money. Its a huge deal.

So someone in the inspector general office starts looking at the reenlistment bonus program and starts to realize that a fair portion of those soldiers given bonuses....did not or do not meet the written qualifications to recieve those bonuses.

The correct thing to do.....is not try to get this money back. If these troops reenlisted and served.....we and the pentagon got our money's worth. However....a major federal investigation at the state and administration level of the program should be opened to catch the people responsible for this. Ray

[c21darrel]

[raygreenwood]

[TDCTDI]

And the V.A. hospital.
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