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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 12:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking For Input, Still Having Issues Reply with quote

rockerarm wrote:
Hi John and everyone. Give me a show of hands who thinks the intake pre-heat will cause a carb to run rich? The manifold pre-heat and/or the intake air pre-heat, or lack of it, will not alter a carb's ability to provide a proper fuel/air mixture. Now, below the throttle plate is a different story on how the mixture travels. You can read here from a well respected samba veteran:

http://www.vw-resource.com/heat_risers.html

This concern is carburetor related. I would peer down the carb's throat when this "spitting and sputtering" begins. In fact look down the carb when it seems to be running fine. It should be a fuel free zone above the throttle plate. But I am thinking you will see fuel dribbling out of the main discharge nozzle, or even the accelerator pump nozzle.
The rich smelling is the owner's key here. Another test the owner can try is this. When the spitting/sputtering begins, lightly pinch off the hose from the fuel pump to the carb and see if it clears up. Is it possible the fuel pump is putting out more pressure/volume than needed? The carb's inlet valve is designed to counter this, within reason.
I have no reason to believe you have an ignition mis-fire. But, in the real world I have seen myself a coil/condenser issue confuse me as fuel related.
Hope this helps, Bill.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking For Input, Still Having Issues Reply with quote

Right - so there's your rich problem. That's the fuel bowl vent. Your fuel bowl is overfilling and overflowing. So your needle/seat is not working/your float is fooooked or your pump is hammering out too much pressure. Take the top off the carb and take a photo of the bowl/float and also the needle/seat from the side and directly at the base of the needle/ballbearing and post up so we can see if there's something odd.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking For Input, Still Having Issues Reply with quote

Do you own that $20 gauge to check your fuel pressure? I'd certainly want to know what it is. Hopefully, it's just your float needle valve that's bad.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking For Input, Still Having Issues Reply with quote

What is that god awful racket after the engine dies?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking For Input, Still Having Issues Reply with quote

67rustavenger wrote:
What is that god awful racket after the engine dies?



lol..that's the license plate rattling.... Will post a pic a.s.a.p...
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking For Input, Still Having Issues Reply with quote

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Do you own that $20 gauge to check your fuel pressure? I'd certainly want to know what it is. Hopefully, it's just your float needle valve that's bad.


Unfortunately, no... Sad
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking For Input, Still Having Issues Reply with quote

Volks Wagen wrote:
Right - so there's your rich problem. That's the fuel bowl vent. Your fuel bowl is overfilling and overflowing. So your needle/seat is not working/your float is fooooked or your pump is hammering out too much pressure. Take the top off the carb and take a photo of the bowl/float and also the needle/seat from the side and directly at the base of the needle/ballbearing and post up so we can see if there's something odd.


Will post a pic a.s.a.p...Not sure of your terminology for everything, but I'll do my best...
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking For Input, Still Having Issues Reply with quote

Volks Wagen wrote:
Right - so there's your rich problem. That's the fuel bowl vent. Your fuel bowl is overfilling and overflowing. So your needle/seat is not working/your float is fooooked or your pump is hammering out too much pressure. Take the top off the carb and take a photo of the bowl/float and also the needle/seat from the side and directly at the base of the needle/ballbearing and post up so we can see if there's something odd.


Here are the pics, if you want more, let me know, I left the top off the carb.. has been sitting for an hour or so..Float doesn't look like it's floating to me..notice too that the jet is saturated with gas...

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking For Input, Still Having Issues Reply with quote

Gently take the top carb gasket off. Remove the float and hold it level.
It looks like the tab that the float pivots on is bent. But it may be just the pic. If the float is sunk in the carb bowl it's time for a new one.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking For Input, Still Having Issues Reply with quote

67rustavenger wrote:
Gently take the top carb gasket off. Remove the float and hold it level.
It looks like the tab that the float pivots on is bent. But it may be just the pic. If the float is sunk in the carb bowl it's time for a new one.
Good Luck.


I don't think it's bent, but it doesn't look like it's floating either...

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking For Input, Still Having Issues Reply with quote

I just skimmed through this thread, yes from your photo above it certainly does appear that your float is not floating, it's sunk down into the fuel.

Also, from your first video-- is this a crack in your intake?

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Maybe just a mark on the manifold... I have a hard time believing you wouldn't have seen that if it were a crack--just wanted to be sure.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking For Input, Still Having Issues Reply with quote

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I think it may have to do with your float. How old is your carb? The black floats tend to absorb fuel. They still float but do not shut off the needle valve. If you have a black float change it out with white plastic one. You can weigh them as well, it should be 10.5 grams, but do some research and double check me

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking For Input, Still Having Issues Reply with quote

sb001 wrote:
I just skimmed through this thread, yes from your photo above it certainly does appear that your float is not floating, it's sunk down into the fuel.

Also, from your first video-- is this a crack in your intake?

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Maybe just a mark on the manifold... I have a hard time believing you wouldn't have seen that if it were a crack--just wanted to be sure.


No, that just a mark on the intake... Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking For Input, Still Having Issues Reply with quote

67rustavenger wrote:
pwmcguire wrote:
I think it may have to do with your float. How old is your carb? The black floats tend to absorb fuel. They still float but do not shut off the needle valve. If you have a black float change it out with white plastic one. You can weigh them as well, it should be 10.5 grams, but do some research and double check me

This and this^^^^^^^^
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Next thing on the agenda.. Just ordered it... Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 7:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking For Input, Still Having Issues Reply with quote

I dealt with a similar issue you've described, Only with a 34pict.
I followed VW-resource guidance is resetting the carb to factory baseline- disconnect the throttle cable, reset, then reconnect.
Good luck.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 8:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking For Input, Still Having Issues Reply with quote

Hi John. On this pic here there are two jets on the right side of the carb body. They are different dimensions on the orifice. I don't recall which one goes in which hole but the threads are the same, hence interchangeable.

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I don't have one easily available but someone out there knows.
Did you look at the fuel inlet needle valve?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking For Input, Still Having Issues Reply with quote

You certainly found your problem, the float has absorbed fuel which makes it less buoyant, the new one should fix it.
The 2 jets on the side of the carburetor below the choke are the idle jet and the power jet, the idle jet points slightly rearward and should be a .65, the other one that comes out at 90 degrees should be .50.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:04 am    Post subject: Re: Looking For Input, Still Having Issues Reply with quote

VolkzBitz wrote:
You certainly found your problem, the float has absorbed fuel which makes it less buoyant, the new one should fix it.
The 2 jets on the side of the carburetor below the choke are the idle jet and the power jet, the idle jet points slightly rearward and should be a .65, the other one that comes out at 90 degrees should be .50.


Thanks for your input Tim and for clearing that up for me...hope this new float will make the difference... Smile Much appreciated...!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:05 am    Post subject: Re: Looking For Input, Still Having Issues Reply with quote

Thanks to everybody for contributing to this thread...I really appreciate it and so will the person in the future who has the same problem and comes across it...I'll let you know how things go when the new float arrives..this is why we love the VW community so much, everybody helps each other out!!! Again, very much appreciated!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking For Input, Still Having Issues Reply with quote

I will go ahead and post my experience from the last month and tonight as well as it seems to be inline with the OPs problems.

Been having issues with fuel spitting down the throat of the carb and gurgling with my new to me 71 super. It's a 1600 sp that was very well maintained by the previous owner. Has a newer (less than 2 year old H30/31 carb). I got her October 1 and drover her home from Tulsa, a four hour drive nonstop @65-70 mph. When I got home I could hear the gurgling in the carb/intake. Also the fuel in the oil caused my oil cooler seals to go. Also had a few times where it would hydro lock from fuel in the cylinders. She didn't like to start hot either.

So I started checking things. The needle was clean and I added an extra shim for good measure. The carb would continue to spit fuel down the throat after the car was off. The float is the black solid type and it passed the float test in hot water. So I changed the fuel pump as it had a small leak under the gaskets anyway along with the stand and shimmed it per the Bently.

Problem still happened.

So, today a friend of mine gives me an old German solex 30 pict 2 which had the solex float (brown and hollow) which I put in the newer H30/31. I did the float test again and it too passed. I compared the black solid float with the solex hollow float and the weights were extremely different. Lo and behold after installing the hollow float the problem is gone. Hot start issue is gone as well. Cranks and starts easlily the first time, every time now.

Bottom line is I think the fuel we have with the ethanol is bad for the new solid floats if they are allowed to sit for any length of time.

Sorry this post is so long but I thought I'd put it here for anyone else having these issues.
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