009 Timing, I'm Sorry.

[Wrongside]

First of all, I whole heartedly apologize. You are thinking "Are you serious guy?".
Yes, I am serious. I'm beginning to absolutely hate the internet and it's total cluster of misinformation.

I have a '74 with dual Solex 44 carbs and a 009 distributor. Yes, I'm aware... they suck. It's what I have, lets move on.

First of all, is BTDC to the LEFT of the 0 and is ATDC to the RIGHT of the 0 on the scale? Or the other way around? This seems like a stupid question but I just read this (On a site specifying stuff about Type 1s...so not the T4 pulley):
ATDC - After Top Dead Center.  This is a measurement in degrees after to the engine reaching top dead center.  Since the crank pulley rotates clockwise, ATDC is counterclockwise (past the point that TDC was reached) or to the LEFT of TDC.------This does sort of make sense as the pulley is moving in that direction... but the bus was timed in the other direction and was running.

The engine was timed to the right of the zero, and that's the direction I timed it. I just timed statically, just to learn about the engine. I thought this was ATDC, but is it? I have a timing light and would like to time with it, but only once I know what I'm going to time it to.

I also cannot find in direct actual simple facts what I am supposed to time this distributor to. It seems the 009 is a very ubiquitous distributor with an unending avalanche of half information written about it. Can anyone just tell me what I am supposed to time this distributor to statically AND with the timing light. And if that is to the left or the right of the 0 on the scale. (I have read 28 Degrees at 3000RPM, I assume this is to the left because the scale ends at 16 on the right. But the marks on the scale from POs are marked on the right and adds to my confusion, along with the Muir book (I know). Yes, I am like a child. Apologies. I have read so many seemingly conflicting or confusing posts that I could cry. It's shameful... Thanks!
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[Danwvw]

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[Wildthings]

[Wrongside]

Thanks Wildthings. The irony that I got two different answers is not lost on me. I will disregard the video cause it's T1 though. That's what I needed to know. Thanks.
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[Abscate]

Simple version...

On a T1 the marks are on the pulley, and the 'timing pointer' is the crankcase seam. Depending on what pulley someone put on your car, you can have one, two or three marks on the crank pulley, so you find TDC watching the valve train. The earlier timing marks are to the right, retard marks to the left. If you have one mark , don't assume it is right, you could have any kind of pulley on your car.

On a a Type IV engine, there is a mark on the pulley and a scale, so now the advance portion is on the left part of the scale, retard to the right of the scale. Because the reference point is reversed, the mark positions Are reversed.

009 are usually best setup with full advance at 3000 rpm, after confirming the advance is working smoothly.
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[khalimadeath]

Your best bet is to post pictures of what you have, both your crank pulley and your dizzy. Its complicated and simple at the same tim. You can get a timing light to do it completely or you can just static time it as seen here..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=787INwvir24
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[Wildthings]

[NoBudgetVWGarage]

Sorry to drag up this post but felt my question stems from this thread...

Currently working on a 1972 Transporter, it is running a 1700 (W Code) Engine and dual 40 Webers.
The problem I am having is it is really hard to start. After I finally get it started and check the timing, the mark is showing 40 (to the left of zero) If I try to put the timing mark where it belongs, the engine dies.
Engine seems to run fine once started.
Also I'm wondering if I am adjusting my valves correctly with the pointer so far off.
Should I be timing this with the marks straight up like a porsche??
PS. I did install a Bus pulley

Thanks for any insight
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[busdaddy]

Maybe some pics of your pulley, the marks and the scale would help.
Also have a look at this: http://www.ratwell.com/technical/FindTimingMark.html
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[timvw7476]

I used to static time my type IV
that was back in the last century, timing gun is 100% better, you get
to witness idle & working speed advance, to verify all is good, meaning you won't cook your engine, which is getting hard to find out there these 21st century days.
Static timing sucks & is dangerous to your antique. F' it.

[Malokin Martin]

40 degrees is bonkers. I'm sure this is obvious, but don't drive it like this for any significant amount of time.

[Yarkle]

is it the blue 72 in your sig? it looks like you have the timing scale on there, so my guess would be the timing mark isnt correct on the pulley?

look at the urkelgrue thread in my sig, I still have a porsche fan in there, but busdaddy walked me through finding the right mark. (i had to use the straw test and all that)

You might have had a PO mark it wrong.

this thread might be of interest:

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8403895&highlight=#8403895
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[NoBudgetVWGarage]

Hey all. Thanks for the replies. I'll get some pics posted.

It is not the 72 in my signature.. although it does have a stock bus timing scale

40 degrees is nuts.. but that is where it runs.. and kinda well I might add when I can get it started.

I static timed it a d checked timing.. At idle it is on the 40.

I'll do some suggested reading.

1972 Sportsmobile in question

Rotor is here for number 1..

Timing Mark is close to the 40 on the timing scale.

If I move it to where the timing Mark is at 0.. It will not start at all
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[busdaddy]

Are you clipping the light pickup on the wire that actually leads to the RF cylinder?, or the wire that's located over that notch?
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[NoBudgetVWGarage]

Yes. That one goes to number 1 cylinder.

Crazy thing is he drove from Low Angeles area to BBB and back like this.
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[busdaddy]

Hmmm....., I wonder if the key in the end of the crank has sheared or is missing?
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[NoBudgetVWGarage]

I think I got it. Carbs had a basic start adjustment on them. Cranked in the idles so it was idling real high then set the timing then re set the carbs.

Now I believe I have a problem with the carbs. Lol still temperamental to start but not nearly as bad.
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[TomWesty]

You still need to be absolutely certain that your valve adjustment and your timing are correct before you go adjusting the carbs.
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[nemobuscaptain]

It's been a while since I've had a type IV but I believe the mark you have sitting near 40 is not the timing mark.

I really find this explanation the easiest, frankly, for the timing mark http://type2.com/library/electrip/timemark.htm.

Send a thanks to Steve Dolan in the great VW bus campout in the sky.

Your timing mark is going to be closer to that fan bolt in the top of the pic you posted. It might be the notch, if that is a notch, sitting around 12 degrees, but it's hard to say from that photo.

Points, timing, then carbs. It's not time for you to mess with the carbs.
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