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BarryL 
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 Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:23 am Post subject: Re: Ben's '59 Panel Project |
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| ernstben wrote: |
 Well at this point, I'm lost.
Could I get either of you a better picture of something on the engine to give you more information?  |
Sorry ernstben, sometimes it seems like threads get lost in a hijack. Keep on keepin' on. Better pics not needed but post up anytime about anything and keep asking questions if you want. I love a 40 horse. |
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ernstben
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: Ben's '59 Panel Project |
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Well, I've continued taking things apart. As I am doing so, I'm cleaning some of the simpler pieces and painting them. I also tried out my new welder. The inside walls were pockmarked with little holes from people installing various interior panels and super-sweet speaker enclosures over the years.
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ernstben
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: Ben's '59 Panel Project |
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Snowstorms are great for spending some good, quality time with little fiddly projects. Just waiting on speedo gels from WW to seal it up:
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ernstben
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:40 am Post subject: Re: Ben's '59 Panel Project |
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| If you go with blasting, get it soda blasted. Any other medium will end up in frame/rockers inside and hold water causing rapid rusting out. |
Digging up an old reply here, but I have been calling around to places to get it blasted. There aren't many options for soda blasting around here. I did find a guy nearby who does dustless blasting who undercut all the other quotes I've received by a significant amount. It uses crushed glass, so maybe there'd be less of a chance that it would hold moisture in the frame? I'd kind of like to have the whole bus done so I can start with fresh metal.
Any thoughts? Anyone have experience with this?
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:40 am Post subject: Re: Ben's '59 Panel Project |
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Crushed glass is essentially artificial sand.
Soda will dissolve when water passes thru it, and drip out with the water onto the pavement, sand will not.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: Ben's '59 Panel Project |
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| If you go with blasting, get it soda blasted. Any other medium will end up in frame/rockers inside and hold water causing rapid rusting out. |
Digging up an old reply here, but I have been calling around to places to get it blasted. There aren't many options for soda blasting around here. I did find a guy nearby who does dustless blasting who undercut all the other quotes I've received by a significant amount. It uses crushed glass, so maybe there'd be less of a chance that it would hold moisture in the frame? I'd kind of like to have the whole bus done so I can start with fresh metal.
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I had my Thing dustless blasted a few years ago at the same time a 59 GMC cab was done. I will say the blaster had no problem with the GMC paint, just like the videos show. The VW paint was a little more difficult but eventually it came off. The one issue to consider is the body will be treated with a water based rust inhibitor after blasting that is only good for 72 hours. You need to be ready to seal the raw metal pretty quick. I did the body, but didn't get around to the fenders/doors/hood which did surface rust a week or so later. Other than that, I was happy with the service.
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ernstben
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| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:34 am Post subject: Re: Ben's '59 Panel Project |
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Thanks for the replies guys, I really do appreciate the input.
I've done tons of googling and forum-reading and called all the places in our area to get quotes and suggestions. Somewhere along the road someone had written that there are as many approaches to prevent rust on old cars as there are people who own them. I think I'm finding that that is true.
My last call was to a place in Ann Arbor. The guy runs a powder-coating/blasting business. After a 45-minute conversation, he ended up talking me completely out of blasting it altogether. His thoughts were that you should/could either go whole-hog and have it acid dipped and e-coated, or save the money on blasting to spend on more important things (like bodywork... holy crap that's expensive!).
He suggested powerwashing and wirewheeling the bottom as best I can, using a rust converter chemical and then spraying a 1:1 mixture of linseed oil and mineral spirits on the entire bottom several times. Then, after the mineral spirits evaporate and the linseed oil has crawled into the crevices, he says that I can pursue any sort of undercoating I choose. In his mind, since this car will only be driven in good weather and be garaged (at least as long as I own it), this makes the most sense. Also, this way I don't have to worry about media rusting out the frame rails.
I think I err on the side of trusting this dude seeing as it's in his best interest to sell me his services.
So, again, I appreciate everyone's input on this, but I'm sort of leaning this direction at the moment. Happy to be talked out of it though!
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| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: Ben's '59 Panel Project |
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| If you go with blasting, get it soda blasted. Any other medium will end up in frame/rockers inside and hold water causing rapid rusting out. |
Digging up an old reply here, but I have been calling around to places to get it blasted. There aren't many options for soda blasting around here. I did find a guy nearby who does dustless blasting who undercut all the other quotes I've received by a significant amount. It uses crushed glass, so maybe there'd be less of a chance that it would hold moisture in the frame? I'd kind of like to have the whole bus done so I can start with fresh metal.
Any thoughts? Anyone have experience with this?
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What kind of idiot has a car blasted without even taking the handles off?
I know it's a promo vid but come on that's in insult to the intelligents to all car guys 
As far as the dripping vs blasting goes i've heard several different results on each depending on the kind of car it is
American cars mostly good things, european cars especially vws lot of negitive stuff
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| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: Ben's '59 Panel Project |
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| If you go with blasting, get it soda blasted. Any other medium will end up in frame/rockers inside and hold water causing rapid rusting out. |
Digging up an old reply here, but I have been calling around to places to get it blasted. There aren't many options for soda blasting around here. I did find a guy nearby who does dustless blasting who undercut all the other quotes I've received by a significant amount. It uses crushed glass, so maybe there'd be less of a chance that it would hold moisture in the frame? I'd kind of like to have the whole bus done so I can start with fresh metal.
Any thoughts? Anyone have experience with this?
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What kind of idiot has a car blasted without even taking the handles off?
I know it's a promo vid but come on that's in insult to the intelligents to all car guys
As far as the dripping vs blasting goes i've heard several different results on each depending on the kind of car it is
American cars mostly good things, european cars especially vws lot of negitive stuff |
In the video they also leave all the trim on and glass installed. The process won't harm either of these. All it does is take off paint. The little bit of paint under the trim, handles and glass should be easy to remove.
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ernstben
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: Ben's '59 Panel Project |
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I have a little time off work over the holidays, so I've been plugging away at disassembly. I've got to hit up good ol' Harbor Freight for a ball joint popper tool so I can get the drag link off and the beam removed. I was scratching my head wondering why the heck my e-brake handle was tilted to the passenger side. From what I'm gathering on here, that's the way it was from the factory? Weird.
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Cleaning away the rust chips to get a better look; I think there will be some repair panels in the new year:
Also got some fiddly parts assembled to be squirreled away until I put her back together (years from now it seems!):
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joe56vw
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: Ben's '59 Panel Project |
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| If you go with blasting, get it soda blasted. Any other medium will end up in frame/rockers inside and hold water causing rapid rusting out. |
Digging up an old reply here, but I have been calling around to places to get it blasted. There aren't many options for soda blasting around here. I did find a guy nearby who does dustless blasting who undercut all the other quotes I've received by a significant amount. It uses crushed glass, so maybe there'd be less of a chance that it would hold moisture in the frame? I'd kind of like to have the whole bus done so I can start with fresh metal.
Any thoughts? Anyone have experience with this?
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What kind of idiot has a car blasted without even taking the handles off?
I know it's a promo vid but come on that's in insult to the intelligents to all car guys
As far as the dripping vs blasting goes i've heard several different results on each depending on the kind of car it is
American cars mostly good things, european cars especially vws lot of negitive stuff |
In the video they also leave all the trim on and glass installed. The process won't harm either of these. All it does is take off paint. The little bit of paint under the trim, handles and glass should be easy to remove. |
Window channels and behind those bumpers would be a PITA to strip IMO
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: Ben's '59 Panel Project |
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How you approach this, will decide the quality of your restoration, but also test your patience. I had more luck with salvaging and making my own little pieces for this fender well section. Even with new outriggers and jackpoint you'll have to cut you own sections and butt-weld them in to the wall if you are going for an original solution/look. But it's hard to see from here how bad it really is. How are the inner rockers?
Looks like the front fender has been cut towards the bottom.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: Ben's '59 Panel Project |
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| media blasting all the way,acid dip will continuously bleed out of every crevice if you dont clean and chemically react with any painted surface. |
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ernstben
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: Ben's '59 Panel Project |
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| media blasting all the way,acid dip will continuously bleed out of every crevice if you dont clean and chemically react with any painted surface. |
That combined with the cost has completely removed acid dipping from my list of options.
At the moment, my plan of attack is to 1) wire-wheel, scrape, and wire-brush as much rust as I can off the bottom 2) brush on diluted muriatic acid 3) rinse 4) ospho 5) seal and prime
We're off to the in-laws for the holidays (hooray!), but I've got the underside all stripped and ready for it's time to shine:
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| Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:13 am Post subject: Re: Ben's '59 Panel Project |
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F$!% this thing:
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I reckon anyone who reckons it's easy if you just cut the coupler must have the single-hole type. That thing is a bloody nightmare.
Engineered to last though.
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BarryL
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| Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 10:31 am Post subject: Re: Ben's '59 Panel Project |
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Is your front end sitting on top of your rear end? Whoa! Did you lift it there yourself?
I can't believe how well your speedometer came out. |
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ernstben
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| Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 10:38 am Post subject: Re: Ben's '59 Panel Project |
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| Is your front end sitting on top of your rear end? Whoa! Did you lift it there yourself? |
Yeah, I did. Tried to get the wife to help. Don't know why she wasn't interested.
Just made sure to only use my back muscles all in one quick, jerking motion.
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