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TRS63
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the dominator
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 Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 11:40 pm Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence |
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The mystery of my zwitter is reveiling itself slowly.
Ofcourse I have some info from the previous owner, but no paper to back it up.
I did order a birthcertificate it in 2016 but there were some gaps in it.
Recently I was introduced to a fellow zwitter standard ragtop owner who was asking if mine was also a CCG. Obviously I didn’t know what CCG ment.
Long story short: I have ordered a new birthcertificate, VW Classic Parts did some more investigation. At least now I know it’s paint color and where it was delivered. So yes it is a CCG car in Military Green and British Army. The only questionnable thing for me is the 17VB in the certificate. Anybody any idea what this abbreviation means?
As far as extra’s: M003, without ignition lock. So they have an option to leave something away  
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54 iceland green oval, done!
52 Zwitter standard ragtop, parts hunting
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sinclair
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| Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 1:20 am Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence |
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Fantastic!
I’m away for the weekend but I’ll do a bit of digging on the 17VB next week. It’ll be a BAoR company or vehicle pool I expect.  |
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the dominator
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 12:25 am Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence |
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| sinclair wrote: |
Fantastic!
I’m away for the weekend but I’ll do a bit of digging on the 17VB next week. It’ll be a BAoR company or vehicle pool I expect. |
that would be highly appreciated 
When I bought the zwitter the car was dismantled, but have latest picture in driveway just before they started dismantling.
The ragtop was in a box as was a role of green fabric, which he bought in 2016.
first I took some exposed material, looked a lot darker but similar material
Now we have removed some innerlayers of material which were not exposed to years of sun/rain/dirt/acid rain etc
This color looks a lot more like the role of green fabric, so in respect of the previous owner I am going to use this fabric for the ragtop.
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54 iceland green oval, done!
52 Zwitter standard ragtop, parts hunting
67 T2A candywaxred en chestnutbrown
1988 T3 doka synco 2.1WBX |
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sinclair
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 12:47 am Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence |
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Hi.
Pretty sure the paint is Mid Bronze Green from memory. Also I tracked down your delivery location. 17 vehicle battalion
17 (Rear) Vehicle Depot .
1959.11.01 Formed near Monchengladbach, Germany by renaming 17 Vehicle Battalion
17 Vehicle Company RAOC arrived from Hamburg in Ayrshire Barracks Mönchengladbach 4 Oct 48, then redesignated Battalion 11 Nov 48.
https://bfg-locations.editboard.com/t135-17-base-vehicle-depot |
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the dominator
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:25 am Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence |
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| sinclair wrote: |
Hi.
Pretty sure the paint is Mid Bronze Green from memory. Also I tracked down your delivery location. 17 vehicle battalion
17 (Rear) Vehicle Depot .
1959.11.01 Formed near Monchengladbach, Germany by renaming 17 Vehicle Battalion
17 Vehicle Company RAOC arrived from Hamburg in Ayrshire Barracks Mönchengladbach 4 Oct 48, then redesignated Battalion 11 Nov 48.
https://bfg-locations.editboard.com/t135-17-base-vehicle-depot |
thanks for the info, that is close by. only 90km from my hometown.
So now I know it was delivered in MonchenGladbach in 1952
from 1968 until 2016 it was in Vaals (Netherlands)
and from 2016 in Maastricht (Netherlands)
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52 Zwitter standard ragtop, parts hunting
67 T2A candywaxred en chestnutbrown
1988 T3 doka synco 2.1WBX |
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sinclair
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:33 am Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence |
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| That’s great. Can you contact previous owner? I managed to talk to the first civilian owner of my old 52. |
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the dominator
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:44 am Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence |
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| That’s great. Can you contact previous owner? I managed to talk to the first civilian owner of my old 52. |
Yes I am in contact with previous owner, he is 80 now.
Hope to get her finished and can place it back at his driveway again for him to see and enjoy.......
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52 Zwitter standard ragtop, parts hunting
67 T2A candywaxred en chestnutbrown
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beetlekey
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| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:08 am Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence |
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Hi, nothing from this belongs to the car. Maybe the carpet, but not the edgematerial in red.
Sorry for not answer, i am pretty busy.
Will contact you later.
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the dominator
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| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2023 6:03 am Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence |
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| beetlekey wrote: |
Hi, nothing from this belongs to the car. Maybe the carpet, but not the edgematerial in red.
Sorry for not answer, i am pretty busy.
Will contact you later.
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thanks for your feedback, much appreciated
I was aware of the inner lining, since this is much more recent material.
We are going to refurbish the complete ragtop, using the correct inner headliner.
The carpet does not belong to me, is a cover of the workbench of my upholsterer.
As for the outside, I understand it is probably not the factory standard material, but as mentioned due to the fact the previous owner acquired this material, the plan is to use it out of respect to the previous owner.
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52 Zwitter standard ragtop, parts hunting
67 T2A candywaxred en chestnutbrown
1988 T3 doka synco 2.1WBX |
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beetlekey
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| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2023 6:10 am Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence |
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As for the outside, I understand it is probably not the factory standard material, but as mentioned due to the fact the previous owner acquired this material, the plan is to use it out of respect to the previous owner
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This is a very dump idea 
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the dominator
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| Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2023 1:50 am Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence |
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As for the outside, I understand it is probably not the factory standard material, but as mentioned due to the fact the previous owner acquired this material, the plan is to use it out of respect to the previous owner
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This is a very dump idea |
I am not aiming on a 100% "when it left factory build".
It is nice to get some history on it, but will give it some of my personal touch.
So it may be not quite original but something different.
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67 T2A candywaxred en chestnutbrown
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the dominator
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| Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 6:28 am Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence |
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purist avert your eyes. 
Due to some personal reasons, and the fact that there is only so much time in a day, days in a week, months in a year, years in a lifetime
I had to drastically reduce the number of (project) cars I owned.
Having said this, I sold all "just because I can" projects which were in the end causing too much noise on the line for this zwitter project.
Since this car is "the ultimate one" for me.
So basically, I will focus only on this project and of course keep my drivers in good shape. Due to the fact it will end up more or less a daily driver for as long as we can keep driving our beloved oldtimers, the plan is slightly changed.
Yes I have the matching numbers gearbox, frontaxle and engine, but these will not end up in the car (but will keep them aside)
So will upgrade to
- dual wishbones in the front with ventilated CSP discbrakes
- IRS and matching gearbox and CSP discbrakes in the back
- type4 2.0 with upright conversion
- convertible louvred engine lid
- flat4 BRM's
The body will only have 1 change and that is the sidetrays in the engine boot since the type4 will take some more room then a 25HP and the chassis will receive IRS brackets.
But if I get the urge to go back stock all the rest is just bolted on stuff.
The mockup is ready for testfitting the body, just to make sure no changes are to be made lateron when body is painted. If all fits then all items will be disassembled, where needed sandblasted and painted.
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52 Zwitter standard ragtop, parts hunting
67 T2A candywaxred en chestnutbrown
1988 T3 doka synco 2.1WBX |
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olo
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| Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence |
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| I like it and probably you will never go back to stock 😆 |
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sinclair
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| Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 6:58 am Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence |
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| A change of direction. But I'm still just as interested to see how it turns out |
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