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*Darren Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:37 am Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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What are the numbers to the right of the dates ? Vin #'s ? |
Yes PR has the heading at the top of every page. Wiggy just clipped it |
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Keith Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2005 Posts: 3634 Location: Brodheadsville, PA
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:58 am Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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So, this means those of us with U.S. spec '55's have 4 month only cars then, correct?
I look forward to putting mine back together once my Westy is done. _________________ Formerly known in the forums as "OVALTEEN"
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*Darren Samba Member
Joined: July 29, 2013 Posts: 917 Location: MD
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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That is correct. btw, there really wasn't an early 55 US spec car. |
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Mr. OGPaint Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2010 Posts: 823 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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I would say that there is an early 55 US (& Canada) spec car, it would have eggs and semaphores and RAM protection bumpers. This same combo was also available in the later portion of 54. A world spec car from early 55 (all of 55 actually) would have semaphores and hearts and blade bumpers _________________ https://instagram.com/mr.ogpaint
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56Cabrio Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2008 Posts: 1899 Location: San Fernando Valley, CA
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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*Darren wrote: |
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What are the numbers to the right of the dates ? Vin #'s ? |
Yes PR has the heading at the top of every page. Wiggy just clipped it |
So according to the VW bulletin Vin # 1-0927 373 is a July 55 model ?
My Vert is Vin # 1-0924 XXX Non ribbed door built on Aug 9, 1955. I guess it sat for a while at the Karmann Factory. _________________ F#CK CANCER
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rglsr Samba Member
Joined: December 06, 2004 Posts: 22
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:58 pm Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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"So according to the VW bulletin Vin # 1-0927 373 is a July 55 model ?'
Yes, could also be very late June production date. Many of these subtle changes are documented in Bob Wilson's book The 1949-1959 VW Beetle. Part of the Authenticity Series, i.e. Porsche 356, etc. (1994) He's got VIN ranges by year/month. Not sure if it's still in print, but worth having if you're a detail freak. |
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Chip Samba Member
Joined: July 19, 2008 Posts: 969 Location: Utah
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:21 am Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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I picked up a pre transition 55 early this fall, 3 fold, ribbed doors, no semaphores, pretty sure it was Texas Brown. It has no fenders, but is obviously a bullet/snowflake car as well. I think it is a June or July built car. |
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laneven28 Samba Member
Joined: January 09, 2007 Posts: 312 Location: Cedar Hills, Utah
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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I recently acquired a strato silver June '55 transitional oval. I'm familiar with pre-transitional ovals and have a few questions about this transitional model after closely looking this one over.
First, the decklid that came with the car is not set up for a big spring with the V plate. Looking through Progressive Refinements, it looks like the change from big spring to small happened on May 3, 1955. Can anyone confirm or argue that my car should be set up for a small spring, and a straight plate on the decklid?
Second, the hood that came with my car is a correct 5 bolt, 4 tab version, but is missing the triangle plate under the VW emblem. Didn't see anything in PR on this detail - is this correct? _________________ 1950 Pearl Grey Hoffman Standard Split Window
1954 Iceland Green Euro 3-Fold Oval
1955 Strato Silver Transitional 3-Fold Oval
1956 Iris Blue Convertible
1958 Pearl White Lowlight KG Convertible
1961 Turkis Ragtop |
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Chip Samba Member
Joined: July 19, 2008 Posts: 969 Location: Utah
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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laneven28 wrote: |
I recently acquired a strato silver June '55 transitional oval. I'm familiar with pre-transitional ovals and have a few questions about this transitional model after closely looking this one over.
First, the decklid that came with the car is not set up for a big spring with the V plate. Looking through Progressive Refinements, it looks like the change from big spring to small happened on May 3, 1955. Can anyone confirm or argue that my car should be set up for a small spring, and a straight plate on the decklid?
Second, the hood that came with my car is a correct 5 bolt, 4 tab version, but is missing the triangle plate under the VW emblem. Didn't see anything in PR on this detail - is this correct? |
I sure hope your book is right! Would make my life much simpler! |
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janerick3 Samba Member
Joined: June 04, 2006 Posts: 1879 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:43 pm Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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I had parts from a June '55 oval and the decklid had the straight-sided spring plate. _________________ Thanks,
Jan K. |
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Russ Samba Member
Joined: January 12, 2003 Posts: 1560 Location: Langley B.C.
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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Mr. OGPaint wrote: |
I would say that there is an early 55 US (& Canada) spec car, it would have eggs and semaphores and RAM protection bumpers. This same combo was also available in the later portion of 54. A world spec car from early 55 (all of 55 actually) would have semaphores and hearts and blade bumpers |
my old 55 was early april car and was just like you said.
we went with no overriders when we built the car though
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joel55bug Samba Member
Joined: January 26, 2005 Posts: 297 Location: Texas
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:13 am Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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Russ wrote: |
Mr. OGPaint wrote: |
I would say that there is an early 55 US (& Canada) spec car, it would have eggs and semaphores and RAM protection bumpers. This same combo was also available in the later portion of 54. A world spec car from early 55 (all of 55 actually) would have semaphores and hearts and blade bumpers |
my old 55 was early april car and was just like you said.
we went with no overriders when we built the car though
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Love your 55 Russ, that green vw color is always a great choice. |
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joel55bug Samba Member
Joined: January 26, 2005 Posts: 297 Location: Texas
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:18 am Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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Chip B. wrote: |
laneven28 wrote: |
I recently acquired a strato silver June '55 transitional oval. I'm familiar with pre-transitional ovals and have a few questions about this transitional model after closely looking this one over.
First, the decklid that came with the car is not set up for a big spring with the V plate. Looking through Progressive Refinements, it looks like the change from big spring to small happened on May 3, 1955. Can anyone confirm or argue that my car should be set up for a small spring, and a straight plate on the decklid?
Second, the hood that came with my car is a correct 5 bolt, 4 tab version, but is missing the triangle plate under the VW emblem. Didn't see anything in PR on this detail - is this correct? |
I sure hope your book is right! Would make my life much simpler! |
Not saying anything bad about the information inside the PR book, however, take a good look at that picture of the Horizon Blue colored split on the back cover of the book and see if you notice anything.😉 |
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Mark Evans Samba Member
Joined: April 21, 2004 Posts: 1931 Location: Alsea,Oregon
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:31 am Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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laneven28 wrote: |
I recently acquired a strato silver June '55 transitional oval. I'm familiar with pre-transitional ovals and have a few questions about this transitional model after closely looking this one over.
First, the decklid that came with the car is not set up for a big spring with the V plate. Looking through Progressive Refinements, it looks like the change from big spring to small happened on May 3, 1955. Can anyone confirm or argue that my car should be set up for a small spring, and a straight plate on the decklid?
Second, the hood that came with my car is a correct 5 bolt, 4 tab version, but is missing the triangle plate under the VW emblem. Didn't see anything in PR on this detail - is this correct? |
I have a May/'55 oval. 3 fold, 5 bolt hood, bullets, wide deck lid spring, ribbed doors. _________________ '63 Ragtop |
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Mark Evans Samba Member
Joined: April 21, 2004 Posts: 1931 Location: Alsea,Oregon
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:38 pm Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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Keith wrote: |
So, this means those of us with U.S. spec '55's have 4 month only cars then, correct?
I look forward to putting mine back together once my Westy is done. |
So does this mean they are MORE rare than say a zwitter style beetle? _________________ '63 Ragtop |
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project_therapy Samba Member
Joined: September 10, 2006 Posts: 163 Location: san marcos ca
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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Here is my april 55...three fold, semi, eggs, had over riders prior to resto.
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laneven28 Samba Member
Joined: January 09, 2007 Posts: 312 Location: Cedar Hills, Utah
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:18 pm Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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janerick3 wrote: |
I had parts from a June '55 oval and the decklid had the straight-sided spring plate. |
Thanks, appreciate the response. I also found a picture of Bill Bowman's original June 1955 oval in the 54-55 engine thread and you can clearly see the small spring set up. I think this must be correct for a June car.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1170212.jpg
Now to figure out the hood. Can you look at the underside of your hood and see if the triangle plate is there on your car? Would appreciate it. _________________ 1950 Pearl Grey Hoffman Standard Split Window
1954 Iceland Green Euro 3-Fold Oval
1955 Strato Silver Transitional 3-Fold Oval
1956 Iris Blue Convertible
1958 Pearl White Lowlight KG Convertible
1961 Turkis Ragtop |
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janerick3 Samba Member
Joined: June 04, 2006 Posts: 1879 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:57 pm Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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I never had the hood from the June '55 car. However, I did pick up a 3-bolt hood w/o the triangular plate at a swap meet for a '57 that I once owned, so I know they exist. _________________ Thanks,
Jan K. |
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laneven28 Samba Member
Joined: January 09, 2007 Posts: 312 Location: Cedar Hills, Utah
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:06 am Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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I had a friend who's very knowledgeable about these early cars and well known in the vintage scene send me a message saying he believes a June 55 hood should be 5 bolt but missing the triangle plate. I'm feeling pretty confident at this point that I have the correct hood and decklid for my car, although still not clear when that hood transition happened to help the overall community. _________________ 1950 Pearl Grey Hoffman Standard Split Window
1954 Iceland Green Euro 3-Fold Oval
1955 Strato Silver Transitional 3-Fold Oval
1956 Iris Blue Convertible
1958 Pearl White Lowlight KG Convertible
1961 Turkis Ragtop |
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55 3fold Samba Member
Joined: November 12, 2016 Posts: 10 Location: Kelowna, BC, Canada
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: '55 transition year debate? |
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My May 15th production 55' has original hood and no triangle. Also small spring decklid.
My friends January 55 has triangle under hood and big spring decklid. If this helps any? |
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