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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:15 pm    Post subject: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert Reply with quote

Anyone out there know, if you want to change the rear coupler only do you have to push the rod towards the front of the car which is much more work, you would have to remove the shifter, access plate and so on. People have told me and seen some videos where you remove the old coupler pull out the shift rod a little bit to disengage from the coupler and the replace the coupler, end of story.
orientation a issue?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:34 pm    Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert Reply with quote

If you're removing the shift rod coupler, to I assume replace the pads, you just need to undo the thru bolt and pull it out. You now just decoupled the shift rod from the transmission. If you do replace the shift rod coupler pads, don't "Upgrade" to urethane. Stay with stock OEM in this area.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:41 pm    Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert Reply with quote

why no urethane?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:26 pm    Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert Reply with quote

urethane is too firm, doesn't have the same profile that the stock plastic/rubber bushings had. You might get a nice firm feel for the shifter, but you also will probably get vibration issues and the car might even pop out of gear on bumps.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:27 pm    Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert Reply with quote

Purchased a whole new unit including the yoke. want to remove the existing coupler completely and replace with new. Will the shift rod pull out of the old one and it then can be put into the new one?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:30 pm    Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert Reply with quote

I got the urethane piece thought it would hold up better
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:33 pm    Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert Reply with quote

anyone had a positive experience with urethane?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:40 pm    Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert Reply with quote

I found urethane in wide use and the oem rubber types are hard to find unless you want to buy an entire coupler.

I measured both my old rubber ones (original VW) and the Empi 16-5104-0 urethanes. There is a slight dimensional difference in the thickness.

OEM:
Overall thickness 12.9-13.7 mm (variation due to worn spots)
Flange thickness: 1.5 mm

Empi:
Overall thickness 12.8 mm
Flange thickness: 2.1 mm

Despite the differences, the urethane still had a snug fit on the shift rod.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:44 pm    Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert Reply with quote

Thanks for the pics answered a lot of questions. I think the coupler is my problem everything else seems ok i.e. shift rod bushing and everything in line with that.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:50 pm    Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert Reply with quote

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anyone had a positive experience with urethane?


Energy Suspension black urethane with graphite impregnation is what I went with. Firmer and stronger than rubber, but softer than red urethane. Should be the best of both worlds.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:53 pm    Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert Reply with quote

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Energy Suspension black urethane with graphite impregnation is what I went with. Firmer and stronger than rubber, but softer than red urethane. Should be the best of both worlds.


I have heard good things about those. Sounds like you are using some great parts!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:04 pm    Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert Reply with quote

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Energy Suspension black urethane with graphite impregnation is what I went with. Firmer and stronger than rubber, but softer than red urethane. Should be the best of both worlds.


I have heard good things about those. Sounds like you are using some great parts!


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:40 am    Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert Reply with quote

do you lubricate the assembly. Meaning where the shift rod connects at the coupler? I would assume it is ok to lube the input shaft to the tranny, at least on the inside part. Anywhere else?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:52 am    Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert Reply with quote

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bug-man wrote:
anyone had a positive experience with urethane?


Energy Suspension black urethane with graphite impregnation is what I went with. Firmer and stronger than rubber, but softer than red urethane. Should be the best of both worlds.


Do you have a link?
I can’t find it searching their site.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:46 am    Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert Reply with quote

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do you lubricate the assembly. Meaning where the shift rod connects at the coupler? I would assume it is ok to lube the input shaft to the tranny, at least on the inside part. Anywhere else?
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I use NAPA Sil-Glyde on urethanes. I coated the bushing before pressing them into the coupler's cage. Then greased the end of the shift rod where it rubs the bushings.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:00 pm    Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert Reply with quote

bug-man wrote:
why no urethane?

I replaced mine with the urethane one time and obviously tightened the through bolt too tight or something. The urethane cracked and came to pieces after a couple of shifts. Stay away from it and go with the OEM rubber!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:47 pm    Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert Reply with quote

Don’t be surprised when using urethane you get dreaded shift rod rattle that comes and goes depending on RPM. Everything ain’t better w/ urethane.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:45 pm    Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert Reply with quote

jeffrey8164 wrote:
Double-Double wrote:
bug-man wrote:
anyone had a positive experience with urethane?


Energy Suspension black urethane with graphite impregnation is what I went with. Firmer and stronger than rubber, but softer than red urethane. Should be the best of both worlds.


Do you have a link?
I can’t find it searching their site.


The last three ES bushing sets I’ve installed fit an OEM VW cage PERFECTLY. They are by FAR the best bushings I’ve used. The black ones are 15.1103G, and the red ones are 15.1103R. Summit drop ships them, so it may take a little while, but there are usually eBay vendors with them in stock ready to ship.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:42 pm    Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert Reply with quote

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jeffrey8164 wrote:
Double-Double wrote:
bug-man wrote:
anyone had a positive experience with urethane?


Energy Suspension black urethane with graphite impregnation is what I went with. Firmer and stronger than rubber, but softer than red urethane. Should be the best of both worlds.


Do you have a link?
I can’t find it searching their site.


The last three ES bushing sets I’ve installed fit an OEM VW cage PERFECTLY. They are by FAR the best bushings I’ve used. The black ones are 15.1103G, and the red ones are 15.1103R. Summit drop ships them, so it may take a little while, but there are usually eBay vendors with them in stock ready to ship.


This is the same number I used. I ordered my from Advanced Auto Parts because they regularly have a 20% off coupon on their site.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:44 pm    Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert Reply with quote

BTW
When I disconnected the old coupler the car was in second gear. Since then the car has not been moved, the input shaft was not moved and the shift rod is in the same position. Anyone foresee a problem when I go to connect the new one ?. Suggestions ?
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