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bug-man Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:15 pm Post subject: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert |
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Anyone out there know, if you want to change the rear coupler only do you have to push the rod towards the front of the car which is much more work, you would have to remove the shifter, access plate and so on. People have told me and seen some videos where you remove the old coupler pull out the shift rod a little bit to disengage from the coupler and the replace the coupler, end of story.
orientation a issue?
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beetlenut Samba Member

Joined: May 27, 2009 Posts: 3012 Location: RI
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:34 pm Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert |
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If you're removing the shift rod coupler, to I assume replace the pads, you just need to undo the thru bolt and pull it out. You now just decoupled the shift rod from the transmission. If you do replace the shift rod coupler pads, don't "Upgrade" to urethane. Stay with stock OEM in this area. _________________ scrapyards are for quitters
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bug-man Samba Member
Joined: November 08, 2018 Posts: 62 Location: US
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert |
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| why no urethane? |
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glutamodo  The Android

Joined: July 13, 2004 Posts: 26614 Location: Douglas, WY
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert |
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urethane is too firm, doesn't have the same profile that the stock plastic/rubber bushings had. You might get a nice firm feel for the shifter, but you also will probably get vibration issues and the car might even pop out of gear on bumps. _________________ Andy T.
"What is Glutamodo, Horror of Toyko, besides total, fiendish, quality-a-you brain!" |
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bug-man Samba Member
Joined: November 08, 2018 Posts: 62 Location: US
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:27 pm Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert |
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| Purchased a whole new unit including the yoke. want to remove the existing coupler completely and replace with new. Will the shift rod pull out of the old one and it then can be put into the new one? |
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bug-man Samba Member
Joined: November 08, 2018 Posts: 62 Location: US
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert |
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| I got the urethane piece thought it would hold up better |
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bug-man Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert |
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| anyone had a positive experience with urethane? |
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Volcrew Samba Member
Joined: March 23, 2014 Posts: 112 Location: South Texas
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert |
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I found urethane in wide use and the oem rubber types are hard to find unless you want to buy an entire coupler.
I measured both my old rubber ones (original VW) and the Empi 16-5104-0 urethanes. There is a slight dimensional difference in the thickness.
OEM:
Overall thickness 12.9-13.7 mm (variation due to worn spots)
Flange thickness: 1.5 mm
Empi:
Overall thickness 12.8 mm
Flange thickness: 2.1 mm
Despite the differences, the urethane still had a snug fit on the shift rod.
_________________ 1975 FI T1 Cliff Grün L61A |
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bug-man Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:44 pm Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert |
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| Thanks for the pics answered a lot of questions. I think the coupler is my problem everything else seems ok i.e. shift rod bushing and everything in line with that. |
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Double-Double Samba Member

Joined: October 25, 2019 Posts: 640 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert |
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| bug-man wrote: |
| anyone had a positive experience with urethane? |
Energy Suspension black urethane with graphite impregnation is what I went with. Firmer and stronger than rubber, but softer than red urethane. Should be the best of both worlds. |
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Volcrew Samba Member
Joined: March 23, 2014 Posts: 112 Location: South Texas
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert |
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| Energy Suspension black urethane with graphite impregnation is what I went with. Firmer and stronger than rubber, but softer than red urethane. Should be the best of both worlds. |
I have heard good things about those. Sounds like you are using some great parts! _________________ 1975 FI T1 Cliff Grün L61A |
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Double-Double Samba Member

Joined: October 25, 2019 Posts: 640 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert |
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| Volcrew wrote: |
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| Energy Suspension black urethane with graphite impregnation is what I went with. Firmer and stronger than rubber, but softer than red urethane. Should be the best of both worlds. |
I have heard good things about those. Sounds like you are using some great parts! |
Trying! Only got one total rebuild in my back, next time I'll have to pay some one to do it. |
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bug-man Samba Member
Joined: November 08, 2018 Posts: 62 Location: US
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:40 am Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert |
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do you lubricate the assembly. Meaning where the shift rod connects at the coupler? I would assume it is ok to lube the input shaft to the tranny, at least on the inside part. Anywhere else?
Thanks to all |
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jeffrey8164 Samba Member

Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 4209 Location: Georgia
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:52 am Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert |
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| Double-Double wrote: |
| bug-man wrote: |
| anyone had a positive experience with urethane? |
Energy Suspension black urethane with graphite impregnation is what I went with. Firmer and stronger than rubber, but softer than red urethane. Should be the best of both worlds. |
Do you have a link?
I can’t find it searching their site. _________________ Volkswagen!
Turning owners into mechanics since 1938.
“Let he that is without oil throw the first rod”
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Volcrew Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:46 am Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert |
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| bug-man wrote: |
do you lubricate the assembly. Meaning where the shift rod connects at the coupler? I would assume it is ok to lube the input shaft to the tranny, at least on the inside part. Anywhere else?
Thanks to all |
I use NAPA Sil-Glyde on urethanes. I coated the bushing before pressing them into the coupler's cage. Then greased the end of the shift rod where it rubs the bushings. _________________ 1975 FI T1 Cliff Grün L61A |
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The Vos Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert |
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| why no urethane? |
I replaced mine with the urethane one time and obviously tightened the through bolt too tight or something. The urethane cracked and came to pieces after a couple of shifts. Stay away from it and go with the OEM rubber! |
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Zundfolge1432  Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2004 Posts: 12583
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:47 pm Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert |
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| Don’t be surprised when using urethane you get dreaded shift rod rattle that comes and goes depending on RPM. Everything ain’t better w/ urethane. |
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[email protected] Samba Member

Joined: May 17, 2003 Posts: 4875 Location: Harmony, PA
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert |
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| jeffrey8164 wrote: |
| Double-Double wrote: |
| bug-man wrote: |
| anyone had a positive experience with urethane? |
Energy Suspension black urethane with graphite impregnation is what I went with. Firmer and stronger than rubber, but softer than red urethane. Should be the best of both worlds. |
Do you have a link?
I can’t find it searching their site. |
The last three ES bushing sets I’ve installed fit an OEM VW cage PERFECTLY. They are by FAR the best bushings I’ve used. The black ones are 15.1103G, and the red ones are 15.1103R. Summit drop ships them, so it may take a little while, but there are usually eBay vendors with them in stock ready to ship. |
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Double-Double Samba Member

Joined: October 25, 2019 Posts: 640 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert |
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| [email protected] wrote: |
| jeffrey8164 wrote: |
| Double-Double wrote: |
| bug-man wrote: |
| anyone had a positive experience with urethane? |
Energy Suspension black urethane with graphite impregnation is what I went with. Firmer and stronger than rubber, but softer than red urethane. Should be the best of both worlds. |
Do you have a link?
I can’t find it searching their site. |
The last three ES bushing sets I’ve installed fit an OEM VW cage PERFECTLY. They are by FAR the best bushings I’ve used. The black ones are 15.1103G, and the red ones are 15.1103R. Summit drop ships them, so it may take a little while, but there are usually eBay vendors with them in stock ready to ship. |
This is the same number I used. I ordered my from Advanced Auto Parts because they regularly have a 20% off coupon on their site. |
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bug-man Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: rear coupler replacement on 73 sb vert |
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BTW
When I disconnected the old coupler the car was in second gear. Since then the car has not been moved, the input shaft was not moved and the shift rod is in the same position. Anyone foresee a problem when I go to connect the new one ?. Suggestions ? |
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