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[email protected] Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 11:41 am Post subject: 1967 Brazilian split chassis number |
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I have just got a 15 window split imported from Uruguay. However i am having a bit of a time with the chassis number. The van was made in Brazil. The chassis number looks like B7124335, but may be 87124335 or even 97124335 perhaps, but i may be compltely wrong. Does anyone know the chassis number range built in Brazil 1967? As it seems vw have no record of this number. I have looked throughout the net but am unable to find any records of Brasilian chassis numbers. I need this number to get the va on the road!!
Hope you can help
iain |
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NorCalWeekender Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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You know, that's a good question. How do Brazillian production numbers fit into the grand scheme of things? Since they were CKD buses, were they factored into the buses shipped from the factory?
-Taylor _________________ 9th Owner of a 1971 Tintop Westy
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ToolBox Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2004 Posts: 3439 Location: Detroit, where they don't jack parts off my ride in the parking lot of the 7-11
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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Show us pictures. I bet it is a Fleetline Kombi. |
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mokoia Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 3:11 pm Post subject: reg docs |
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Hi Iain
Did you buy the van off Deano? Blue and white 67 15 window? If so then it has original reg docs with it and you should be able to use these to get it UK registered
Tim
Oh and if it is the van I think it is then it is NOT a fleetline, it's definitely a 67 and it has a vin plate in the cab on the central air filter |
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fig Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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ToolBox wrote: |
Show us pictures. I bet it is a Fleetline Kombi. |
NOT a Fleetline. Fleetlines were the Brazilian 15-windows, panels and wide-body single cabs assembled in South Africa 1975 only; all RHD. This is a 67 Brazilian assembled in Brazil.
VWs from VW do Brasil were 100% Brazilian, and had no German parts.
Your VIN doesn't sound like a VW VIN at all. Maybe it was added later by police or licensing authorities???
The Fleetlines did not have the VIN stamped on the bodywork, just on the plate behind the driver's (RHD) seat. I don't know if this applies to all Brazil VWs, but it's a security issue on SA Fleetlines.
Fleetline VINs start 205 (Type 2, 0=?, 5=1975) and the fourth digit applied to the model: 1=panel, 3=Kombi, 6=pick-up. The rest of the numbers were sequential production numbers.
Brazilian VINs did not follow the same format as German VINs. Most Brazilian production was LHD. _________________ fig
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[email protected] Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 12:46 am Post subject: |
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its definatelly not a fleetline... will post some pics next week.
does anyone know chasis numbering for Braziian type 2's especially ones made in 1967?
Cheers for the e-mail Tim
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louis-123 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 6:46 am Post subject: |
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question,just like that
how much did it cost you for the bus?and for the shipping form urugay??
and last question,how did u find a bus for sell over there and ship it to your place?did you go there or you knew some1??
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[email protected] Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 9:11 am Post subject: |
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Tim at airccooled network (aircoolednetwork.net or .co.uk or com?) imported it. I think he has a contact or two down in south america.
Anybody please... has anyone an idea about Brazilian chassis numbers?
Iain |
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Nic B-C Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 6:02 am Post subject: |
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fig wrote: |
The Fleetlines did not have the VIN stamped on the bodywork, just on the plate behind the driver's (RHD) seat. I don't know if this applies to all Brazil VWs, but it's a security issue on SA Fleetlines.
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Ive seen chassis numbers on these stamped in engine bay on right hand side as you look at them however the stampings were very poor and covered in thick paint which almost wipes them out. _________________ www.durhamoldschooldubbers.co.uk |
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HMBR Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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the only thing I know is that B means "Brazil", 7 the year (1967), the rest is the car serial number.
(1968 beetle chassi number), the range of 1967 I don't know. |
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AB-T1 Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2007 Posts: 16 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Brazilian split chassis number |
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[email protected] wrote: |
I have just got a 15 window split imported from Uruguay. However i am having a bit of a time with the chassis number. The van was made in Brazil. The chassis number looks like B7124335, but may be 87124335 or even 97124335 perhaps, but i may be compltely wrong. Does anyone know the chassis number range built in Brazil 1967? As it seems vw have no record of this number. I have looked throughout the net but am unable to find any records of Brasilian chassis numbers. I need this number to get the va on the road!!
Hope you can help
iain |
Hi iain,
according to my (small) registry, your chassis number that 'looks like B7124335' should be correct. B7 means VW do Brasil 1967, the following number 124335 does match the number range of Brazilian kombi production in 1967, being transporter no 124335 built in Brazil since Sept/02/1957.
1200/30PS:
Very early Brazilian kombis until the early 1960's had no 'B' nor number stating the year of production in their VIN, like '30620', a 1961 kombi.
1200/34PS:
The earliest chassis number in my records with 'B' is B4071329, built in 1964. being the 71329th Brazilian built type 2 from the beginning in 1957.
1500/42PS:
From 1967/68 transporters' chassis numbers were still counted from the beginnig, but the production year after the 'B' was replaced by 'H' (conferring to the 'H' 1500 motor), e.g. BH399004 was the chassis number of a 1975 split 1500 Brazilian kombi.
You might like to see this Brekina 1/87 scale Brazilian 6-doors split bus TAXI modelcar:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=259701
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John Moxon Samba Moderator
Joined: March 07, 2004 Posts: 13943 Location: Southampton U.K.
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:33 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Brazilian split chassis number |
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AB-T1 wrote: |
Hi iain,
according to my (small) registry, your chassis number that 'looks like B7124335' should be correct. B7 means VW do Brasil 1967, the following number 124335 does match the number range of Brazilian kombi production in 1967, being transporter no 124335 built in Brazil since Sept/02/1957.
1200/30PS:
Very early Brazilian kombis until the early 1960's had no 'B' nor number stating the year of production in their VIN, like '30620', a 1961 kombi.
1200/34PS:
The earliest chassis number in my records with 'B' is B4071329, built in 1964. being the 71329th Brazilian built type 2 from the beginning in 1957.
1500/42PS:
From 1967/68 transporters' chassis numbers were still counted from the beginnig, but the production year after the 'B' was replaced by 'H' (conferring to the 'H' 1500 motor), e.g. BH399004 was the chassis number of a 1975 split 1500 Brazilian kombi.
You might like to see this Brekina 1/87 scale Brazilian 6-doors split bus TAXI modelcar:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=259701
Peter |
Hi Peter,
This subject has had a few topics going over the last few years without any real definative answer. Brazilian vin numbers are a mystery even to the Brazilians and even though taking the first number of the vin to indicate the year of manufacture seems to work for our '63 Kombi (B3067237) it doesn't seem to work for others.
Incidentally our B3067237 (see service book below) predates your '64 B4071329 and according to my sources VW do Brasil never used the 34hp/40hp 1200 engine but continued with the 30hp/36hp engine until it was superceded by the 1500 engine.
The other topic you might find interesting are as follows:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=137486
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=137642
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=127644 _________________ John.
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AB-T1 Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2007 Posts: 16 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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Hi John,
thanks for your reply, you are right:
The 1200 engine 30PS/36hp-SAE was used in Brazilian busses until it was superceded by the 1500 engine.
Ivan of VWB had written:
'os seis dígitos seguintes correspondem à um número sequencial e nada mais'.
As far as I understand his language and Brasilian kombi VIN numbers, this simply means that chassis were numbered sequentially - one after the other - from the beginning, 'e nada mais' / and nothing more.
There is no mystery.
So it should be like this:
1957 - 1963 (1200/30PS):
The VIN consists of the sequential chassis number only, eg
'30620' was the 30620th VWB built type 2 since 1957, built in 1961.
1963 (modelo 1964) - 1967 (1200/30PS):
The VIN consists of 'B' + one digit (prod.year abbreveation) + the sequential chassis number, e.g.
B3067237 was the 067237th VWB built type 2 since 1957, built late in 1963 (model 1964),
B7124335 was the 124335th VWB built type 2 since 1957, built in 1967.
(German busses also had a digit as prod.year abbreviation from model year 64 to 67 !)
1967 (modelo 1968) - 197x (1970or 71 or 72) (1500/42PS):
The VIN consists of 'B' + the sequential chassis number, e.g.
B184332 was the 184332th VWB built type 2 since 1957, built in 1967.
197x (1970or 71 or 72) - 1975 (1500/42PS):
The VIN consists of 'BH' + the sequential chassis number, e.g.
BH238367 was the 238367th VWB built type 2 since 1957, built in 1972,
BH329134 was the 329134th VWB built type 2 since 1957, built in 1974.
BH408145 was the 408145th VWB built type 2 since 1957, built in 1975.
You might like to see this Brekina 1/87 scale Brazilian 6-doors split bus TAXI modelcar:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=259701
Peter |
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novetti Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:01 am Post subject: |
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Oh God...more splits are leaving Brasil towards UK
Another tread about Brazilian VW split chassis number...
Well, I'm in Australia currently, but for coincidence just lask week my brother managed to buy another splittie back in Brazil.
This time is a 65' , 1200cc in ''virgin'' condition.
Chassis number starts withthe usual B followed by a 5. Maybe is telling it was made in 65'.
John, this new puppy is the same color as yours, paint and body in same condition as yours.
I won't post photos here in thesamba that soon otherwise in 3 months time the remaining splits will be chasen down to go to UK....HeHe.
Stay tuned...
BTW I'm back in Australia and what a shame...no splitties around here anymore...a few crappy ones for sale around 15k AUD |
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John Moxon Samba Moderator
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:25 am Post subject: |
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novetti wrote: |
BTW I'm back in Australia and what a shame...no splitties around here anymore...a few crappy ones for sale around 15k AUD |
I'm not sure if there are so many coming to the UK anymore Julio. Ones I have seen over the last year seemed to be priced for the UK so the days of cheap splitties from Brasil seems to be over. Maybe there are Two prices for every bus...one for the UK and one for Brasil.
It's about time you gave the Perth VW crowd a treat by shipping your '69 to Australia...have you checked to see how much it would cost? _________________ John.
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Zyggy Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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I have a 15 window bus from Brazil, which I imported 2 years ago. I have registered the vehicle as being the 1st January 1973 as that was the year of registration on the documents. I now realise that if it happens to have been manufactured in 1972 it would be tax exempt.
One of the above posts give details of how to find out, and states that VIN number beginning with BH are from 1972 - however, only 1972, 74 and 75 are mentioned.
The VIN number begins BH28------ is this 1972 or 1973?
Thanks for your help, this may save me some money!! |
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AB-T1 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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Hi, search the net for: "VW/KOMBI" detran
you will find lots of various cars with their VINs and (estimated?) model/yearof first registration.
There are always some 1970s Kombis among them.
According to my small collection of Brasil Kombi VINs
BH272xxx is a model 1973 / first registered in nov 1972 (I had contact to the owner),
BH2759xx is a 1973/1972, BH2895x is a 1973/1973
good luck ! |
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Redman Michael Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:29 am Post subject: Re: 1967 Brazilian split chassis number |
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I purchased a 1970 Kombi from Brazil and reluctantly found the chassis number directly under the passenger front seat. |
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Westfalia73 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:56 am Post subject: Re: 1967 Brazilian split chassis number |
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Redman Michael wrote: |
I purchased a 1970 Kombi from Brazil and reluctantly found the chassis number directly under the passenger front seat. |
Why reluctantly? Did you not want to find it? _________________ 1973 tintop westfalia weekender.
1973 beetle.
1981 Brazilian baywindow kombi. |
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Alemao CL Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:22 am Post subject: Re: 1967 Brazilian split chassis number |
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When a chassis number is under the front seat it means the original number (at the right of the engine) was lost. I've seen one of these here in Brazil. It was a single cab and lost the number due to rust. The procedure has to be autorized by Detran (the brazilian equivalent to DMV). |
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