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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:31 am    Post subject: Re: SO42/SO44 poptop canvas replacement how-to Reply with quote

He sells them thru Wolfsburg West now in the US.

https://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=231067983Y

Great guy and excellent product.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:52 am    Post subject: Re: SO42/SO44 poptop canvas replacement how-to Reply with quote

Does anyone know if Helmut in CZ is still making reproduction pop-top tents with the three white mosquito screen windows??? I can't seem to find ads for him.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:17 am    Post subject: Re: SO42/SO44 poptop canvas replacement how-to Reply with quote

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The four rubber pop-top tie-downs that I bought from Wolfsburg West a year or two ago have a gray-ish color, not the black ones. I'll have to open a bag and trial stretch them to see if they are an improvement over the previous "stiffer" version.

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I'm happy to report back that the four tan-ish or grey-ish colored rubber pull-downs to secure the pop-top that I bought from Wolfsburg West have been great, fit right, stretch well and so far no signs of any issues. They get my vote!

Bill


That's good to hear. I reported the issue to Rich at WW a couple years ago so its nice to see they corrected it.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:09 am    Post subject: Re: SO42/SO44 poptop canvas replacement how-to Reply with quote

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Thank you for this thread ...I had a quick question ... did you use the upper white tack strip on your pop top? Doesn’t look like Go Westy has it anymore and the detailed description says it was used for 68+ ... I have a 67... thanks again for the detailed install info . Yes


On my pop-top install I bought a new roll from Wolfsburg West of the plastic tack strip that you staple through to help support and attach the tent material to the pop-top. We carefully pried each staple out of the original plastic tack strip while removing the old tent material which surprisingly was still soft and pliable, so we elected to re-use the original as once installed on the Camper it is covered by tent material and not seen. The WW product would work fine and had no staple holes in it, but it was slightly narrower in width, so since we had a good used one in our hands, and trying to be as accurate as possible, we re-used my original. I still have the WW repro here in the bag if anyone needs one cheap.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:56 am    Post subject: Re: SO42/SO44 poptop canvas replacement how-to Reply with quote

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The four rubber pop-top tie-downs that I bought from Wolfsburg West a year or two ago have a gray-ish color, not the black ones. I'll have to open a bag and trial stretch them to see if they are an improvement over the previous "stiffer" version.

Bill Bowman


I'm happy to report back that the four tan-ish or grey-ish colored rubber pull-downs to secure the pop-top that I bought from Wolfsburg West have been great, fit right, stretch well and so far no signs of any issues. They get my vote!

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:47 am    Post subject: Re: SO42/SO44 poptop canvas replacement how-to Reply with quote

Thank you for this thread ...I had a quick question ... did you use the upper white tack strip on your pop top? Doesn’t look like Go Westy has it anymore and the detailed description says it was used for 68+ ... I have a 67... thanks again for the detailed install info . Yes
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:49 pm    Post subject: Re: SO42/SO44 poptop canvas replacement how-to Reply with quote

The four rubber pop-top tie-downs that I bought from Wolfsburg West a year or two ago have a gray-ish color, not the black ones. I'll have to open a bag and trial stretch them to see if they are an improvement over the previous "stiffer" version.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:12 am    Post subject: Re: SO42/SO44 poptop canvas replacement how-to Reply with quote

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My original seam was at the rear. Also, the WW rubber hold downs are not great. They seem to be made of a much stiffer material and will be really difficult to stretch. I mentioned this to Rich from WW and they are going to take a look but nothing new at this point. You might be better off using your old ones.


What I don't like is that the black ones can stain the canvas.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:11 am    Post subject: Re: SO42/SO44 poptop canvas replacement how-to Reply with quote

My original seam was at the rear. Also, the WW rubber hold downs are not great. They seem to be made of a much stiffer material and will be really difficult to stretch. I mentioned this to Rich from WW and they are going to take a look but nothing new at this point. You might be better off using your old ones.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:23 am    Post subject: Re: SO42/SO44 poptop canvas replacement how-to Reply with quote

Hi Nancy (and Dick),

Great to see you at the BNNTA camping weekend. I only wish I had more time to visit with you and of course check out your handiwork on the pop-top install. I'm about to install the pop-top section onto my tin-top SO42, and this great write-up of yours will be the install guide for installing my roof assembly onto my '67 Campmobile. Friends in PHX will be cutting the hole in my roof, bending up the metal lip around the roof edge and then dis-assembling the roof section that I have provided and transplanting everything from the roof section onto my Camper. I have one of Helmut's new canvas tent tops (bought last year), a new WW grey molding, new WW rubber tie-downs. I have three wooden ceiling bows. I haven't ordered a new fiberglass top to roof rubber seal yet and I'll need to determine who makes the best seal available (any hints?). While apart, a talented PHX wood-worker and friend will be installing all new birch wall and ceiling panels, and once the roof install is finished, my Westy camper interior will be re-installed, and then I'll hop in and drive it back home to St. Louis.

The roof section we are using that I've had squirreled away in my basement for the past 25 years:
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Just as a side note, I noticed that you installed the seam of your grey molding in the center of your rear edge. I had planned to do exactly the same. But this morning as the roof assembly was placed into a PHX bound enclosed trailer I noticed that the original grey molding in the roof section had it's seam placed in the center of the passenger (right) side. If you look closely at the middle photo you can see the right side seam in the grey molding. I'm wondering why the boys and girls at Westfalia did that, and if other original Campmobiles had their grey molding seam on the right, or arbitrarily placed elsewhere. Just curious, where is your "original" seam location everyone?

Thanks again for an excellent guide to replacing the tent material Nancy!

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:25 pm    Post subject: Re: SO42/SO44 poptop canvas replacement how-to Reply with quote

Those look great! I LOVE that they are a near perfect match and have white screens.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:34 am    Post subject: Re: SO42/SO44 poptop canvas replacement how-to Reply with quote

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Looks like it turned out great! Good job.

I don't recall any extra stretching was needed on my canvas, but maybe there is enough deviation in size from Helmut.

As for the spring, I've chatted with the guy who originally ordered and purchased the bus, and the second owner that bought it from him, and there was never anything done by either of them related to the poptop so I believe the spring to be original.

Ours is a 1966 German delivered SO44 so maybe that has some bearing?


Could definitely be a German delivered thing or specific to the SO44.

As for the stretching, I actually have a second canvas from Helmut and they both measured the same. I bought them long ago when he first started making them so no idea if he tweaked his dimensions a bit. In the end it worked fine but I thought it could have been easier if it was about 1/2" longer in the front-back dimension. Stapling the last corner a the top definitely took some stretching to get there.

I'm thankful that he's doing these (especially with the white screens) so definitely nothing bad to say about them.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:26 pm    Post subject: Re: SO42/SO44 poptop canvas replacement how-to Reply with quote

Looks like it turned out great! Good job.

I don't recall any extra stretching was needed on my canvas, but maybe there is enough deviation in size from Helmut.

As for the spring, I've chatted with the guy who originally ordered and purchased the bus, and the second owner that bought it from him, and there was never anything done by either of them related to the poptop so I believe the spring to be original.

Ours is a 1966 German delivered SO44 so maybe that has some bearing?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:52 pm    Post subject: Re: SO42/SO44 poptop canvas replacement how-to Reply with quote

Another Helmut canvas installed:

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A couple things I noted when installing this canvas:

1. It needs to be stretched quite a bit to get it stapled in the top
2. Be sure when you staple the tack strip it is touching the top of the poptop (I used the Go Westy strip which is a bit wider than the OG strip)
3. Definitely use heat to soften the grey trim strip before trying to get it on the corners (as Jamiekp mentions)
4. Mine does not have an adjustment spring, not sure if mine was replaced or if yours was a dealer replacement
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:38 am    Post subject: Re: SO42/SO44 poptop canvas replacement how-to Reply with quote

Great write-up indeed.

Just wanted to add one small tip for anyone having trouble fitting the grey trim at the end: a heat-gun is a really good way of making it easier to work with when needed - you can just point it at the bits you're working with and heat them up as needed to make the trim more flexible / pliable for the hard parts (like the corners).
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:27 am    Post subject: Re: SO42/SO44 poptop canvas replacement how-to Reply with quote

BJ1 wrote:
Great thread thanks! It's the only thread I can find that also shows the position and construction of the lifting struts - mine came in pieces so this was very helpful. I hadn't seen adjustable springs before - mine are simply fixed at each end with no adjusting threaded bar.

I have one of the earliest SO42 Westies (early 65) and the canvas is stapled at the top with hundreds of staples, then the plastic strip is nailed on with small nails about every 4". My top was pretty rough so I had to replace all the wooden frame, including the corner braces that have some interesting angles on them.
Thanks again for an excellent how to Smile


Thanks, I'm glad it helped someone.

Mine only had the one adjustment spring and it was on the left side. The right a back did not have the adjuster.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:48 am    Post subject: Re: SO42/SO44 poptop canvas replacement how-to Reply with quote

Great thread thanks! It's the only thread I can find that also shows the position and construction of the lifting struts - mine came in pieces so this was very helpful. I hadn't seen adjustable springs before - mine are simply fixed at each end with no adjusting threaded bar.

I have one of the earliest SO42 Westies (early 65) and the canvas is stapled at the top with hundreds of staples, then the plastic strip is nailed on with small nails about every 4". My top was pretty rough so I had to replace all the wooden frame, including the corner braces that have some interesting angles on them.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:56 am    Post subject: Re: SO42/SO44 poptop canvas replacement how-to Reply with quote

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Color is definitely off a bit but still the best repro out there. You should send that piece of un-faded canvas to Helmut, maybe he can find a closer match.


Some of that difference in material color might be attributed to 50 years of age fading. I think that Helmut got pretty close. I bought a new canvas from him less than a year ago, and will be grafting an entire pop-top roof assembly onto my tin-top '67 Camper someday. Thanks Nancy for so well documenting your process, it will be very helpful!

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:07 am    Post subject: Re: SO42/SO44 poptop canvas replacement how-to Reply with quote

Color is definitely off a bit but still the best repro out there. You should send that piece of un-faded canvas to Helmut, maybe he can find a closer match.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:07 pm    Post subject: Re: SO42/SO44 poptop canvas replacement how-to Reply with quote

Here's a comparison of a scrap of the fabric on my new pop top to that of the faded old one, and the original color I found inside some of the folded up areas of the original one.


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