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decriminalizpot
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 Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:54 am Post subject: 69 kombi died while driving |
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my hippy got about a block from home and she died while moving down the road. Janis Joplin (the van) would try but not turn over. had to tow her home. my hippy has just changed tranny oil and he put the ignition coil in the bracket where it keeps jiggling loose. those are the only recent things done. we have bought all the books but are clueless where to check next. i have read check points but im not sure it may have electronic ignition.any tips what it could be?
and where does this wire go |
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Amskeptic
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:46 am Post subject: Re: 69 kombi died while driving |
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| decriminalizpot wrote: |
| Janis Joplin (the van) would try but not turn over. |
"Try" as in you could hear the starter turning the engine, but the engine would not fire?
Usually, the term "turn over" is reserved for describing the starter's ability to rotate the engine.
If it does not "catch" or "fire" but it does turn over, then we start looking at ignition/fuel systems.
The orphan wire is anyone's guess. To help figure it out, you need to clean it to see what color it is. If it is brown, that means it is a ground wire, and you can look in the vicinity for any bare spade terminals that are part of the body sheetmetal. But with that engine compartment looking like it does, you cannot assume just yet. If it goes into a factory looking harness, then the color should be valid. Otherwise, track to its source.
Methinks you are at the threshold of a learning curve to help you get Janis shipshape.
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grandpa pete
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:54 am Post subject: Re: 69 kombi died while driving |
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You probably know this
the white green yellow brown is usually a trailer harness BUT I and many others have run them in with a new wiring harness to have the extra wires for tach, amp and temp gauge and CHT gauge ....don't ASSUME anything with 40 yr old wiring
NOTE ; one great idea I read on Samba was to use the trailer disconnect plug as an engine disconnect plug for all your gauges .
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decriminalizpot
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: 69 kombi died while driving |
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fixed it! we feel so proud. found a broken black wire that goes to ignition coil. wire was to short and when coil jiggled in the bracket and dropped down a smidge must have snapped it. extended wire and new end piece put it on coil and she fired right up
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Abscate
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:50 pm Post subject: Re: 69 kombi died while driving |
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You need to stop driving it until you get that coil bolted to something...anything.
It has live, unfused battery voltage on one side and will burn your Bus up. That is, it will start a fire after it catches your fan belt, flips it off, and your melt your engine due to no cooling air.
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TomWesty
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: 69 kombi died while driving |
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What he said^^^^^^. Do it now..... 
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decriminalizpot
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: 69 kombi died while driving |
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| we did was trying to take a picture of where wire came off. |
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Abscate
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: 69 kombi died while driving |
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What's up with the fan shroud and fresh air ports at 90 degrees to the fan?
I don't think that's early Bay, is it? I though that should be a single port 1600
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decriminalizpot
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: 69 kombi died while driving |
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| don't know why the fan thing is pointed that way. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:56 pm Post subject: Re: 69 kombi died while driving |
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| Abscate wrote: |
What's up with the fan shroud and fresh air ports at 90 degrees to the fan?
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Some crappy aftermarket fan shroud is my guess
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decriminalizpot
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: 69 kombi died while driving |
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| fifty dollar lesson last night, my hippy left ignition key on. melted ignition coil this morning! who knew? |
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decriminalizpot
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:58 pm Post subject: Re: 69 kombi died while driving |
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| fifty dollar lesson last night, my hippy left ignition key on. melted ignition coil this morning! who knew? |
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Keith
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:15 pm Post subject: Re: 69 kombi died while driving |
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| decriminalizpot wrote: |
| fifty dollar lesson last night, my hippy left ignition key on. melted ignition coil this morning! who knew? |
Who is your "hippy"?
Also, you can't leave the key on, you can and will burn your points up.
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Wildthings
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: 69 kombi died while driving |
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I know that there are a pile of fan shrouds out there both OEM and aftermarket. Some do a much better job of cooling than others. I would be worried about the fan shroud that you are using as it doesn't look like it is going to be a doghouse style cooler. Others may know better though. I have heard that the best fan shrouds are the late seventies Beetle shrouds that had a venturi built into the fan intake to boost the flow a bit.
Your hippie does know that he can tighten down the pinch bolt so that the bracket will fit tight on the coil?
If you need to leave the ignition switch on for some reason then removing the green wire from the coil will stop the current flow through the coil and points. (This will be some different color wire if you have some form of electronic ignition.) Of course your engine will not start and run until you properly reconnect this wire.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:26 pm Post subject: Re: 69 kombi died while driving |
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| Wildthings wrote: |
| If you need to leave the ignition switch on for some reason then removing the green wire from the coil will stop the current flow through the coil and points. (This will be some different color wire if you have some form of electronic ignition.) Of course your engine will not start and run until you properly reconnect this wire. |
Seems there's some sort of electronicalish points replacement module in there, hopefully it's the later style that resists burnout from key left on instances. Removing the red wire would apply here.
Odd that it still works with the black wires on the same terminal though, or is the odd blue wire #15 and the thin black wire goes somewhere else? 
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:35 pm Post subject: Re: 69 kombi died while driving |
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| decriminalizpot wrote: |
| fifty dollar lesson last night, my hippy left ignition key on. melted ignition coil this morning! who knew? |
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Wildthings
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: 69 kombi died while driving |
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| Odd that it still works with the black wires on the same terminal though, or is the odd blue wire #15 and the thin black wire goes somewhere else? |
The blue wire looks like it is feeding the fuel cutoff solenoid and thus likely the choke coil. The blue wire should be on the same terminal as the OEM black wire. Adding some kind of labels to the wires for the electronic ignition would help prevent hooking it up backwards, some form of color coding would work also. |
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Abscate
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: 69 kombi died while driving |
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Stop, park, and lock your Bus.
Read the entire John Muir book slowly from front to back.
Now, take the book, and read it again, looking at each part of your Bus he talks about that you can.
These cars were designed in an era when one is in touch with your Ass, as it bears you. They are unforgiving for the type that leaves the key on.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:42 pm Post subject: Re: 69 kombi died while driving |
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Or, be careful when you smoke that stuff and you won't forget to turn off the ignition....
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