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Ofir Samba Member
Joined: September 26, 2005 Posts: 460 Location: Israel
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:23 pm Post subject: Front Beam Lubrication |
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Hello all,
I have bug 1966
How often need to do front beam lubrication?
Red grease is good?
Why it's important to do this job?
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bugguy1967 Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2008 Posts: 4341 Location: Los Angeles, CA 90016
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:30 pm Post subject: Re: Front Beam Lubrication |
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How often? Not sure. None ever comes out. When in doubt, pump some in.
The machine shop I worked at used a Blue Valvoline grease. I'm sure red would suffice.
The trailing arms need lubrication for all the rotating they do inside of the beams. There are also needle bearings inside that need lube for obvious reasons. |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34003 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:35 pm Post subject: Re: Front Beam Lubrication |
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VW said every 6000 miles. Probably more often on rough or dusty roads.
I used to add a little grease every 3000 on my '65 with it's king and link pins. I adjusted the link point and front brakes that often on tune-up/oil change day; a little overkill but I wanted the tightest steering and best brakes I could get out of the stock setup.
The ball joints go much further, so your '66 with its BJ front end can go the 6000 with no trouble.
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neil68 Samba Member
Joined: March 17, 2007 Posts: 3440 Location: Calgary, Canada
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:37 pm Post subject: Re: Front Beam Lubrication |
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Check your owner's manual. VW usually specified greasing the four beam nipples once per year, if driven less than 6000 miles. I give mine a small shot every year. _________________ Neil.
Der Kleiner Rennwagens
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Ofir Samba Member
Joined: September 26, 2005 Posts: 460 Location: Israel
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:40 pm Post subject: Re: Front Beam Lubrication |
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My mechanic sometime use to add a little grease till it's come out and that's it.
Sometime he do it, some time he don't
I've read that need do this until ALL of the old grease is out. This isn’t a fill up, it’s a replacement of grease. is that correct?
Again, why it's important to do this job?
This is a good grease fot this job?
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26785 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:02 am Post subject: Re: Front Beam Lubrication |
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Kingpins and link pins should be greased often, maybe 4 times a year.
I think it is best to use grease intended for large trucks/heavy equiptment/mining. Color doesn't really matter, but it should say on the container what it is intended for.
The beam Will hold a lot of grease and tends to stay well sealed, so I only give the beam a pump or two each time. |
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Ofir Samba Member
Joined: September 26, 2005 Posts: 460 Location: Israel
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:05 am Post subject: Re: Front Beam Lubrication |
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modok wrote: |
Kingpins and link pins should be greased often, maybe 4 times a year.
I think it is best to use grease intended for large trucks/heavy equiptment/mining. Color doesn't really matter, but it should say on the container what it is intended for.
The beam Will hold a lot of grease and tends to stay well sealed, so I only give the beam a pump or two each time. |
4 times a year?? really? it's not too much? |
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26785 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:12 am Post subject: Re: Front Beam Lubrication |
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I did twice a year and my link pins rusted
Never have any trouble with the bearings in the beam yet, but the kingpins and the washers......often rusty and worn. balljoint is a big improvement in this respect. |
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Ofir Samba Member
Joined: September 26, 2005 Posts: 460 Location: Israel
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:14 am Post subject: Re: Front Beam Lubrication |
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O.K.
My bug is 1966, yet the beam is not kingpin, it's the later model of 1968-1977, it was replaced over the years by previous owners I guess, do it doesn't matter.
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scottyrocks Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2016 Posts: 2661 Location: Long Island, NY
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:49 am Post subject: Re: Front Beam Lubrication |
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Just for clarity, does anyone have a photo, picture, or diagram with all the spots that should be greased? And for a kingpin front end, as well? |
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neil68 Samba Member
Joined: March 17, 2007 Posts: 3440 Location: Calgary, Canada
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 8:00 am Post subject: Re: Front Beam Lubrication |
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Ofir wrote: |
O.K.
My bug is 1966, yet the beam is not kingpin, it's the later model of 1968-1977, it was replaced over the years by previous owners I guess, do it doesn't matter.
Thanks |
For most countries, export models switched to ball joints around mid-1965, for the 1966 model year, so your's would likely be factory beam. _________________ Neil.
Der Kleiner Rennwagens
68 Beetle 2332 cc, 204 WHP
12.5 seconds @ 107 mph
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Ofir Samba Member
Joined: September 26, 2005 Posts: 460 Location: Israel
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:27 am Post subject: Re: Front Beam Lubrication |
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neil68 wrote: |
Ofir wrote: |
O.K.
My bug is 1966, yet the beam is not kingpin, it's the later model of 1968-1977, it was replaced over the years by previous owners I guess, do it doesn't matter.
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For most countries, export models switched to ball joints around mid-1965, for the 1966 model year, so your's would likely be factory beam. |
I guess you're right.
All the parts were original, I replaced the steering box it was original with VW logo, I also replaced right outer tie rod, I saw VW logo on it! I have the bug 17 years and never replaced tie rods on it. This is the 1st time.
Maybed the tie rod on the car 50 years? I don't know, maybe.
Inside the car, the interior is like brand new. |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34003 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:58 am Post subject: Re: Front Beam Lubrication |
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scottyrocks wrote: |
Just for clarity, does anyone have a photo, picture, or diagram with all the spots that should be greased? And for a kingpin front end, as well? |
It's in the Owners Manuals, in the Technical section here. |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34003 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:01 am Post subject: Re: Front Beam Lubrication |
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You lube the front end because otherwise you get metal-on-metal contact, friction, wear, and rust. Same as lubing anything else.
On each side, the pair of torsion arms rotate inside the tube as you go over bumps, and the bearings/bushings that hold the arm inside the axle tubes need to be lubricated or they wear out and rust. |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2002 Posts: 12785 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:34 am Post subject: Re: Front Beam Lubrication |
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the other lesser known reason to pump grease in, is to push the dirt and water out. _________________ It's just advice, do whatever you want with it!
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Ofir Samba Member
Joined: September 26, 2005 Posts: 460 Location: Israel
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: Front Beam Lubrication |
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Thanks much to all for the sharing! |
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: Front Beam Lubrication |
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so... they need lube |
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