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busdaddy Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: Official Fuel injection questions thread |
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1976 Std Bug - Large crankcase breather hose:
The original one crumbled and leaked. I've tried a few different hoses, but they all kink. I even purchased one with one 90 degree bend molded which helped, but still kinked as it rounds the alternator.
This causes the crank to build up pressure and spit oil from the pulley.
Anyone have a good source for a proper, molded breather hose? |
Like this? : https://www.airheadparts.com/Hose-Oil-Breather-w/Molded-Elbow/item/181-129-651%20C _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51153 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: Official Fuel injection questions thread |
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cuzzinit wrote: |
VW_Jimbo wrote: |
Can you do a volume check on the injectors? Maybe one of them is clogged. |
i guess not since i not sure what a volume check is....
and now that i took the plastic tube off going from the plenum ? to throttle body, i'm not sure how it works and having trouble finding diagram or video
to show what things are. |
How about some photos?, if we can see the open ports we can tell you what goes where.
Volume may not be an issue since it's happening at idle, sending them to a Bosch authorized service center will get them cleaned and flow tested for ~$100. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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Root_Werks Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:59 am Post subject: Re: Official Fuel injection questions thread |
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busdaddy wrote: |
Root_Werks wrote: |
1976 Std Bug - Large crankcase breather hose:
The original one crumbled and leaked. I've tried a few different hoses, but they all kink. I even purchased one with one 90 degree bend molded which helped, but still kinked as it rounds the alternator.
This causes the crank to build up pressure and spit oil from the pulley.
Anyone have a good source for a proper, molded breather hose? |
Like this? : https://www.airheadparts.com/Hose-Oil-Breather-w/Molded-Elbow/item/181-129-651%20C |
Yep, that is the one I'm currently using. It worked fine for a while. It has two kinks as it rounds the alternator. The factory hose is molded in two places to avoid this.
The only other solution I can think of is to use a short piece of rigid tube with a bend to round the alternator. _________________ When I set my timing, why do I flush, then take a pee? |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51153 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:17 am Post subject: Re: Official Fuel injection questions thread |
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Root_Werks wrote: |
busdaddy wrote: |
Root_Werks wrote: |
1976 Std Bug - Large crankcase breather hose:
The original one crumbled and leaked. I've tried a few different hoses, but they all kink. I even purchased one with one 90 degree bend molded which helped, but still kinked as it rounds the alternator.
This causes the crank to build up pressure and spit oil from the pulley.
Anyone have a good source for a proper, molded breather hose? |
Like this? : https://www.airheadparts.com/Hose-Oil-Breather-w/Molded-Elbow/item/181-129-651%20C |
Yep, that is the one I'm currently using. It worked fine for a while. It has two kinks as it rounds the alternator. The factory hose is molded in two places to avoid this.
The only other solution I can think of is to use a short piece of rigid tube with a bend to round the alternator. |
I have seen people use a bend of hard line or copper elbow, works but looks messy.
What you need is an inner support coil, stainless works best but any spring that barely fits inside the hose will work.
Similar to this:
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sb001 Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 10406 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:34 am Post subject: Re: Official Fuel injection questions thread |
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Root_Werks wrote: |
1976 Std Bug - Large crankcase breather hose:
The original one crumbled and leaked. I've tried a few different hoses, but they all kink. I even purchased one with one 90 degree bend molded which helped, but still kinked as it rounds the alternator.
This causes the crank to build up pressure and spit oil from the pulley.
Anyone have a good source for a proper, molded breather hose? |
Root werks, AFAIK the original 12mm cloth braided German crankcase breather hose was not wire reinforced, it was just stiff enough to make those curves with no problems. These aftermarket crap parts seem to have that problem.
HOWEVER, if you want, you can use the same 12mm WIRE REINFORCED hose that the autosticks and bus brake booster hoses use. The VW part number is:
N 020 390 1
Several online VW vendors like WCM carry this hose, but you can also get it from some tuning/ racing sites or from your local VW dealer (at least I did.) _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
Solex 30 PICT 3 carburetor
Bosch 113905205AE autostick distributor |
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:47 am Post subject: Re: Official Fuel injection questions thread |
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sb001 wrote: |
Root_Werks wrote: |
1976 Std Bug - Large crankcase breather hose:
The original one crumbled and leaked. I've tried a few different hoses, but they all kink. I even purchased one with one 90 degree bend molded which helped, but still kinked as it rounds the alternator.
This causes the crank to build up pressure and spit oil from the pulley.
Anyone have a good source for a proper, molded breather hose? |
Root werks, AFAIK the original 12mm cloth braided German crankcase breather hose was not wire reinforced, it was just stiff enough to make those curves with no problems. These aftermarket crap parts seem to have that problem.
HOWEVER, if you want, you can use the same 12mm WIRE REINFORCED hose that the autosticks and bus brake booster hoses use. The VW part number is:
N 020 390 1
Several online VW vendors like WCM carry this hose, but you can also get it from some tuning/ racing sites or from your local VW dealer (at least I did.) |
I am unsure if we are talking about the same hose, but at the bottom of page 3 KKiley posted a Gates hose which works for the bends, but it is a water hose and will eventually fail. The upside is it is cheaper than an original molded hose, so changing them out often would be a small finacial impact! Thats always a plus! _________________ Jimbo
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sb001 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:09 am Post subject: Re: Official Fuel injection questions thread |
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VW_Jimbo wrote: |
I am unsure if we are talking about the same hose, but at the bottom of page 3 KKiley posted a Gates hose which works for the bends, but it is a water hose and will eventually fail. The upside is it is cheaper than an original molded hose, so changing them out often would be a small finacial impact! Thats always a plus! |
Aaah- hmm I had only ever seen the typical non-wire reinforced 12mm cloth braided hose used for crankcase breather on mine since i was a kid, like this:
are you saying that the original VW hose was actually molded to the curvature it needed to go from oil filler neck to air cleaner? If so I'm going to keep an eye out for that on my next trip to the VW salvage yard.
At any rate I believe the wire reinforced 12mm hose would prevent the kinking, it has metal wire coiled around inside the rubber:
It may be hard to shape to the contour you need though. _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
Solex 30 PICT 3 carburetor
Bosch 113905205AE autostick distributor |
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Root_Werks Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:58 am Post subject: Re: Official Fuel injection questions thread |
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12mm is too small, this the larger 19mm that needs at least one 90 degree bend from the oil filler base. Otherwise it'll surely kink trying to bend before the intake runner.
I like the spring idea and will give it a shot, thanks!
With my kinks, it's allowing too much pressure buildup in the case = oily mess. _________________ When I set my timing, why do I flush, then take a pee? |
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:10 am Post subject: Re: Official Fuel injection questions thread |
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busdaddy wrote: |
Volume may not be an issue since it's happening at idle, sending them to a Bosch authorized service center will get them cleaned and flow tested for ~$100. |
Volume test is free, and a couple of shots of carb cleaner, if carboned badly, would save you the down time with the car and 90 bucks.
Volume is always an issue if the injector is clogged, even partially clogged. It is a simple test and yields much information. It also allows a chance to replace faulty seals at the injectors, which always needs to be done, and a chance to get rid of some carbon.
Clogged injectors yield lean combustion chamber fuel ratios. Lean! Lean burn kills valves and put more strain on other engine parts. Plus the engine may be firing at extremely different power strokes further stressing the crank and main bearings. At the top rpm range, there is predetonation and lean misfire, both will kill an engine.
That volume test speaks volumes! _________________ Jimbo
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Root_Werks Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:26 am Post subject: Re: Official Fuel injection questions thread |
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Crank Breather Hose Spring worked, thanks for the tip! _________________ When I set my timing, why do I flush, then take a pee? |
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L51C_75 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:02 pm Post subject: Re: Official Fuel injection questions thread |
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Does anybody know if fuel injectors from a water cooled Vanagon would work with a l-jet set up for a beetle. Just wondering if I were to build a higher capacity engine and needed bigger injectors if this would be an option. It is my understanding from Ratwell's site that Type 4 bus and Beetle injectors are the same, so maybe Vanagon injectors will flow more? |
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busdaddy Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:57 pm Post subject: Re: Official Fuel injection questions thread |
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There's multiple charts comparing various Bosch injectors online with specifications and flow rates, get your Google on. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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pbnj Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:33 pm Post subject: Re: Official Fuel injection questions thread |
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So, my 77 FI vert is running fine. However as the temp starts to drop, it has issues on cold ( sub 40) mornings. Another issue if it is one at all, is that it is a bit sluggish between 3rd and 4th. On the highway, it can hit about 70 mph but will slow down 5mph or more when hits a moderate hill. I am just curious if this is normal for the FI, or if there are things i can do to correct these items.Thanks in advance. _________________ 1977 Super Convertible |
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busdaddy Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: Official Fuel injection questions thread |
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The performance doesn't sound all that wrong, it's only a 1600 afterall.
Cold starting could be vacuum leaks, temp sensor #2 (TS2) or an issue in the CSV system, or even a weak ignition system. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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pbnj Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: Official Fuel injection questions thread |
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thanks. I read in someones post that they cleaned their AFM and go a bit more performance out of it. I have no history on mine as i don't know what number owner I am. At least number 3. The AFM appears to have been glued at some point as there is residue. MY engine is a 79 according to the engine number, and someone added electronic ignition to it as well. I have had it just over two years, and engine wise i ( with assistance) replaced the alternator , the fuel pump. Its probably time to adjust the valves. thanks again _________________ 1977 Super Convertible |
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: Official Fuel injection questions thread |
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pbnj wrote: |
So, my 77 FI vert is running fine. However as the temp starts to drop, it has issues on cold ( sub 40) mornings. Another issue if it is one at all, is that it is a bit sluggish between 3rd and 4th. On the highway, it can hit about 70 mph but will slow down 5mph or more when hits a moderate hill. I am just curious if this is normal for the FI, or if there are things i can do to correct these items.Thanks in advance. |
My gut is a spark issue. In the lower RPM range, the demand on the coil and the ignition system is low. As the RPMs increase and the load increases the time for the coil to recharge, to be able to shoot a spark is limited. You might try cleaning any ground points in the engine bay, particularly those related to an ignition system ground path. Also the connections at the coil, you should ohm the coil and if marginal, replace with a compatible unit. Curious, what do your plugs look like?
Another issue could be low compression. A compression check , warm engine, would let you know if it may be time for a rebuild. _________________ Jimbo
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pbnj Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:28 pm Post subject: Re: Official Fuel injection questions thread |
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haven't looked at the plugs in about a year. last time i looked they looked ok. I have spares if i need to replace them. Is the coil issue the same if its running a flamethrower EI system? thanks for the reply _________________ 1977 Super Convertible |
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busdaddy Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: Official Fuel injection questions thread |
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Well it sounds like tune up time, start with that and see if it makes a difference. The AFM must move freely, cleaning it carefully won't hurt, but usually a bad AFM causes bucking. Careful if you remove the lid, the tracks on the printed circuit board are delicate and the board must remain in the exact spot it was calibrated in. The glue used to reattach the cover can also damage the guts, regular RTV gives off a corrosive gas for example. RTV for electronics or the fishtank stuff is safer.
If someone has been messing in there the mixtures may be off, you'll need a AFR meter (LM1, etc..) to calibrate it properly.
The electronic points replacement modules sometimes produce a waveform that messes with the ECU, try a set of points one day when you have nothing better to do and see if it makes a difference. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:55 am Post subject: Re: Official Fuel injection questions thread |
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Digifant question: have a hesitation when pulling away in first. This is usually when engine is cold. I can avoid it by building the revs slowly, but a normal blip of the throttle and it stumbles back to idle rpm after trying to climb. |
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:08 pm Post subject: Re: Official Fuel injection questions thread |
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Sounds like a vacuum leak or low fuel pressure.
Check for spark and compression first to rule those two variables first. Then measure fuel pressure and volume. Correct if needed.
If spark and ignition are good, check for a vacuum leak. Good visual inspection, followed by shooting small amounts of starting fluid around intake manifold connections. There can be a vacuum leak in the crankcase to, due to the design of the intake manifold. You can remove the oil fill cap to check. Car will die very quickly if sucking air in through the crankcase, and have semi foulded plugs.
If no vacuum leaks are found, check the fuel pressure and fuel volume. _________________ Jimbo
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