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KDF 37 Samba Member
Joined: December 29, 2016 Posts: 19 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: VW Kafer KDF-Wagen motor 1941-1945 |
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usariemen wrote: |
KDF 37 wrote: |
My Engine Has 120/17 ( not 122/17). 1.13L 25h.p this engine has been removed from commandeurwagen in 1945 that was captured by Soviet troops near Berlin. The front of the car was crushed by a Soviet tank.
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Is that a joke?
Or the bullshit it sounds like?
Your engine never was in a car.
As the one I had never has been in a car.
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69829 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:02 pm Post subject: Re: VW Kafer KDF-Wagen motor 1941-1945 |
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KDF 37 wrote: |
usariemen wrote: |
KDF 37 wrote: |
My Engine Has 120/17 ( not 122/17). 1.13L 25h.p this engine has been removed from commandeurwagen in 1945 that was captured by Soviet troops near Berlin. The front of the car was crushed by a Soviet tank.
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Is that a joke?
Or the bullshit it sounds like?
Your engine never was in a car.
As the one I had never has been in a car.
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It could be in a car but that doesn't mean it was ORIGINALLY in that car.
It's been 72 years, anything could happen.
People make up stories all the time to sell things to other people. _________________ How to Post Photos
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado
Joined: June 16, 2006 Posts: 24120 Location: Southeast USA
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:58 pm Post subject: Re: VW Kafer KDF-Wagen motor 1941-1945 |
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When people have something that is already interesting, I don't understand why they have to embellish the story to try and make it more interesting. It's a wartime industrial engine. If nothing else is known, that's good enough! _________________ We are striving for perfection, to make our cars run forever, if possible.
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usariemen Samba Member
Joined: August 28, 2004 Posts: 1745 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:05 pm Post subject: Re: VW Kafer KDF-Wagen motor 1941-1945 |
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EverettB wrote: |
KDF 37 wrote: |
Do not claim bullshit, if you know everything, only from books. |
It could be in a car but that doesn't mean it was ORIGINALLY in that car.
It's been 72 years, anything could happen.
People make up stories all the time to sell things to other people. |
Sure, any engine could have been used in a car during 72 years.
But not that one I bet.
It still has that weird "no battery needed - magneto dustributor" on.
And I expect the generator to be empty. Just the axle goes through for cooling but no electrics.
That way no one drives it in a car.
But what do I know, I barely can read books as it seems. _________________ Master of my domain! |
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sgmalt46 Samba Member
Joined: April 20, 2005 Posts: 1296 Location: south san francisco
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:35 pm Post subject: Re: VW Kafer KDF-Wagen motor 1941-1945 |
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Blue Baron wrote: |
When people have something that is already interesting, I don't understand why they have to embellish the story to try and make it more interesting. It's a wartime industrial engine. If nothing else is known, that's good enough! |
yes thank you. at the end of the day who cares? _________________ 55 deluxe 23 window bus
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71 square back (sold) ! good luck with it Henry!
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GArBa Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2014 Posts: 2105 Location: Milano, Italy
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:34 am Post subject: Re: VW Kafer KDF-Wagen motor 1941-1945 |
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KDF 37 wrote: |
I'll be glad if you will find it. |
I don't know if this is a joke, but sorry this is your engine, and as per your profile you are in germany so it should be easier for you to embark in such a research.
I don't think I would do it, even if it was my engine. _________________ cars:
'97 type 1 1600i
'14 type AA Seat Mii (sadly dead after 270.000 km)
'22 type C1 T-Cross
'23 type AC3 Hyundai I10 (VW no longer makes small cars!)
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mr. lang Samba Member
Joined: June 05, 2012 Posts: 308 Location: Germany
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:05 am Post subject: Re: VW Kafer KDF-Wagen motor 1941-1945 |
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KDF 37 wrote: |
usariemen wrote: |
The 6- is wartime industrial engine.
Post war it became 122-
I once found a 1944 engine with star6- number and the magneto ignition as well. |
Where is these industrial engines were used?
Please give me a link with the information.
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I fixed your above post.
google search: vw typ 120
first link: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Typ_166_Schwimmwagen
Typ 120 Stationärer Motor für Reichsluftfahrtministerium _________________ 1966 Bus | 1969 Bug | 1976 Passat LX two-door | 1984 Golf 2 C (daily driver)
There are three kinds of people: those who can count and those who can't
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KDF 37 Samba Member
Joined: December 29, 2016 Posts: 19 Location: Germany
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:34 am Post subject: Re: VW Kafer KDF-Wagen motor 1941-1945 |
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What this - Reichsluftfahrtministerium???? |
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GArBa Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2014 Posts: 2105 Location: Milano, Italy
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:37 am Post subject: Re: VW Kafer KDF-Wagen motor 1941-1945 |
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Reich's ministry of aviation. _________________ cars:
'97 type 1 1600i
'14 type AA Seat Mii (sadly dead after 270.000 km)
'22 type C1 T-Cross
'23 type AC3 Hyundai I10 (VW no longer makes small cars!)
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splitjunkie Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2006 Posts: 4095
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:53 am Post subject: Re: VW Kafer KDF-Wagen motor 1941-1945 |
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I guess my "conjectural information" was spot on... _________________ Chris
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GArBa Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2014 Posts: 2105 Location: Milano, Italy
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:18 pm Post subject: Re: VW Kafer KDF-Wagen motor 1941-1945 |
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It may be due to some sort of linguistic barrier, but I can't see where this topic is going. between random wrecked kdf pics and his criptic and telegraphic messages, the OP gives at times the impression of already having (or believing to have) most of the information he asks for.
edit: it's just the impression I get as a non-native english speaker (it seems however that native speakers get the same idea), no offence intended if this isn't the case. _________________ cars:
'97 type 1 1600i
'14 type AA Seat Mii (sadly dead after 270.000 km)
'22 type C1 T-Cross
'23 type AC3 Hyundai I10 (VW no longer makes small cars!)
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'82 Benelli Magnum 3v |
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usariemen Samba Member
Joined: August 28, 2004 Posts: 1745 Location: Germany
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: VW Kafer KDF-Wagen motor 1941-1945 |
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A german needs to get explained the word Reichsluftfahrtministerium by an Italian?
Smart dude. _________________ Master of my domain! |
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sgmalt46 Samba Member
Joined: April 20, 2005 Posts: 1296 Location: south san francisco
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:45 pm Post subject: Re: VW Kafer KDF-Wagen motor 1941-1945 |
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i don't know what his deal is . but he comes on here with tall tails and asks ?? we try to help then says we are all dumb ? i don't get it. this thread will go away just like the other one that went nowhere. it's a 44 industrial motor end of story. so what? strange _________________ 55 deluxe 23 window bus
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iwlego Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2005 Posts: 67
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: VW Kafer KDF-Wagen motor 1941-1945 |
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Interesting threat.
As a matter of fact, early after the ended in May 1945 until August 1945 they used 6-... engines in postwar Kübelwagens. I have a copy of an handwritten document stating the VIN and the corresponding engine number and more. Basically the list of the Kübelwagens produced after the war. I had such a 6-... engine number from a 1946 beetle I bought once and sold on. That exact number I found as being used in a Küber in 1945. I need to find the exact number and the document copy.
Here we go. Exact number of my engine was: 6 - 073 356 (from 1944)
Best regards Richard _________________ ____________
4-43 Type 60 KdF
4-43 Type 92 KdF
4-43 Type 82e KdF
5-43 Type 82e KdF
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69829 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: VW Kafer KDF-Wagen motor 1941-1945 |
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Moderator note:
Let's not start up with insulting the guy again please, I don't want to keep having to clean things up (again)
I removed the other engine thread in the past because he edited out all of his posts and deleted the photos so it was basically useless at that point.
Just so we are all aware, he is not in Germany so yes, there could be a language barrier with English and German.
He talks a lot of about Russian tanks and captures so... figure it out. _________________ How to Post Photos
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KDF 37 Samba Member
Joined: December 29, 2016 Posts: 19 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:11 am Post subject: Re: VW Kafer KDF-Wagen motor 1941-1945 |
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))) You make me fun here!
I created this topic for the clever person who has the information and shared it with me.
But instead, I observe, useless messages from people who do not have accurate information, and spreading rumors.
I repeat again! I have the facts! You have never seen these facts so your statement - not true.
This engine was removed from the Commandeurwagen 1943. Probably the original engine during the WWII ( In Ukraine) was flawed.
This is quite obvious. The speed of Wehrmacht retreat in 1943-1944 (in Ukraine), was in 2 times higher speed of their offensive in 1941.
Along the way they lost a different technique. Until now we find unique things that are not in the catalogs.
Today unique thing the internet. Now the old people (80-90years old) get a chance to see the images Discflying aircrafts. And it's terrible - they argue that in 1942-43, in Ukraine they saw it when they were small childrens.
I am sure that in the next 5 years we are waiting for the mass of unique discoveries.
During the entire existence of this topic. Only two people (iwlego & mr. lang ) have written on the merits. |
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GArBa Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2014 Posts: 2105 Location: Milano, Italy
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:28 am Post subject: Re: VW Kafer KDF-Wagen motor 1941-1945 |
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I'll try to ascribe the apparent lack of politeness of this post to the aforementioned linguistic barrier.
however, I don't think your comments are fair at all.
Most of the posters here tried to provide you with suggestions on how to get the factual information you asked for. Usually a person finds this kind of suggestions useful, or at least appreciate the others' effort. _________________ cars:
'97 type 1 1600i
'14 type AA Seat Mii (sadly dead after 270.000 km)
'22 type C1 T-Cross
'23 type AC3 Hyundai I10 (VW no longer makes small cars!)
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KDF 37 Samba Member
Joined: December 29, 2016 Posts: 19 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:38 am Post subject: Re: VW Kafer KDF-Wagen motor 1941-1945 |
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until I see the statement that it is an industrial engine that could not be installed on the VW vehicles.
no one takes appreciated that the in 1943, there was destruction Most of factories BMW, ZUNDAPP, and other producing motors.
In 1943, this VW KDF engines were installed on motorcycles BMW R75 and Zundap KS 750
I would not be surprised if it turns out the truth of the fact that these VW engines (6-xxxxxx) were originally installed on Commandeurwagen, in Due to the fact that in 1943-1944 Wehrmacht began to suffer a catastrophic defeat, and such a trifle as the engine classification was not taken into account.
Has been used everything that was available |
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sgmalt46 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:39 am Post subject: Re: VW Kafer KDF-Wagen motor 1941-1945 |
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i don't get this guy. show us the facts .we can't wait to see. where are we going with this ? if you have the answers tell us please. all this over a industrial motor ? we are just trying to help or give our opinions then you hurl insults.i don't think it's a linguistic barrier. just a rude russian. _________________ 55 deluxe 23 window bus
64 crew cab
55 rag top beetle
66 beetle
71 square back (sold) ! good luck with it Henry!
46 beetle 552nd royal army service corps CCG
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KDF 37 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:45 am Post subject: Re: VW Kafer KDF-Wagen motor 1941-1945 |
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I wait from you the facts. I've created a topic for this. |
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