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Burlyhammer
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 Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 3:00 pm Post subject: Re: 1963 15 Window resurrection |
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A Pillar done!
Moving on...
Next up will be finishing the dog legs and seat pedistals. Can’t wait! |
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Burlyhammer
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 10:32 am Post subject: Re: 1963 15 Window resurrection |
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I fitted the drivers seat tool box piece this morning:
I will weld it in tomorrow morning. If I can get through this piece, I can start fitting the dog legs! |
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BusJunky
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Burlyhammer
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2018 11:59 am Post subject: Re: 1963 15 Window resurrection |
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| BusJunky wrote: |
| Looking good! Between all the blasted and primed metal, im feeling like a real slacker. Keep up the good work, homie. |
You're a slacker, HAHA! It took me a month to fix one A Pillar. When you get a couple of free minutes, I know you will have built a complete interior, after you paint the inside. You and Skim are full speed ahead. I'm still on a mission though. My son plans to dig in with me this weekend. Hoping to make some solid progress. I still have Thursday and Friday morning. I need to wake up earlier! |
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Burlyhammer
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 6:06 am Post subject: Re: 1963 15 Window resurrection |
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I "finished" the tool box:
I am officially moving on to the dog legs. When I had the valances off, everything lined up perfectly. I tried to set the door gap with the valance on, but it was a little wide. I was thinking about shimming or tweaking the door hinges, but I am not crazy about that idea. I wrapped a strap around the drivers side, and connected a chain hoist to the strapand the jack point and got things exactly whee they need to be:
I will be able to put the inner and outer dog leg on like this, as well as the seat pedistal. My concern is that once I release the chain hoist, the nose will move back to where it was, the door gap will be too wide, and the dog leg will want to push in. I thought about cranking the chain hoist in a little extra to help it relax where I want it to be, but I don't want to potentially bend the nose. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I did clamp and screw the outer dog leg in, and it seems to be fitting for the most part:
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edgood1
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 6:18 am Post subject: Re: 1963 15 Window resurrection |
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Its hard to tell from the pictures, how does the front gap look, where the front door meets the nose? I'm curious if the door just needs to be "centered" vs the actual door opening being too wide, which I think you eluded to.
I ask because the dogleg looks like a pretty snug fit all round with consistent gaps between the front part of the wheel arch.
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Burlyhammer
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 6:32 am Post subject: Re: 1963 15 Window resurrection |
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| edgood1 wrote: |
Its hard to tell from the pictures, how does the front gap look, where the front door meets the nose? I'm curious if the door just needs to be "centered" vs the actual door opening being too wide, which I think you eluded to.
I ask because the dogleg looks like a pretty snug fit all round with consistent gaps between the front part of the wheel arch. |
The space between the nose and the door is what I would consider to be right on. That is why I did not want to shim it. The reason the dog leg is fitting so well is because I have the entire front corner cranked in roughly 1/8"
Once I release the chain hoist, the dog leg is too short, and the door gap is too wide. I thought about just shimming the door, and stretching the dog leg, but would rather not. |
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sgellis
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Burlyhammer
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 9:20 am Post subject: Re: 1963 15 Window resurrection |
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| sgellis wrote: |
Once you have both inner and outer dogleg welded it should hold. Depends on how much strain you have on it. Shouldn't be much if it was just 1/8"
If you are worries just weld a small rod from the lower corner to the frame to hold it from springing forward until everything is welded.
They are quite flexible until the floor is welded in. I had to hold my dash forward until the floor was welded.
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Stan,
The rod idea seems like a very good idea. I know it wont move once the floor is in, but I couldn't put the floor in with my current rigging in the way.
Maybe with a turnbuckle to make it adjustable.
I know there is still a long way to go, but it seems to be coming around. I tipped it on the side this morning to clean up a weld and had the roof in my face. That will be a nice project.
Thanks for the idea! |
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ryans65
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 10:16 am Post subject: Re: 1963 15 Window resurrection |
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| I pulled my drivers A pillar in with a ratchet strap to get a good door gap then burned the dogleg in and then released it but I also had a seat pedestal still in but before the outer floor patch. Don't know if that helps but maybe what I am trying to say is weld the seat pedestal in first then use your strap to get a door gap when you do the dogleg. |
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Burlyhammer
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 11:26 am Post subject: Re: 1963 15 Window resurrection |
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| I pulled my drivers A pillar in with a ratchet strap to get a good door gap then burned the dogleg in and then released it but I also had a seat pedestal still in but before the outer floor patch. Don't know if that helps but maybe what I am trying to say is weld the seat pedestal in first then use your strap to get a door gap when you do the dogleg. |
I was thinking I should put the seat pedestal in after the dog leg in order to get the height of where it connects to the dog leg correct. I think I may get to spend some time on it this evening. I am going to reevaluate the situation.
Thanks Ryan |
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edgood1
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 6:10 am Post subject: Re: 1963 15 Window resurrection |
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this might be an oddball approach to the issue but try checking if the front frame is square. pick four corners and make sure the opposite sides are equidistant... i.e. measure distance between the bottom corner of the drivers "A" pillar to the passenger side jack point and then the same locations on the other side. it might clue you in on what is out of square and where to make the tweaks.
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Burlyhammer
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 6:23 am Post subject: Re: 1963 15 Window resurrection |
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| edgood1 wrote: |
| this might be an oddball approach to the issue but try checking if the front frame is square. pick four corners and make sure the opposite sides are equidistant... i.e. measure distance between the bottom corner of the drivers "A" pillar to the passenger side jack point and then the same locations on the other side. it might clue you in on what is out of square and where to make the tweaks. |
The gap on the passenger side is out the same amount. I think I may have made my frame splices a hair longer than they should have been. I welded in the drivers side dog leg this morning, so I am going to keep everything held in place until the dog legs and seat pedestals are completely done. The drivers door opens and closes well now, and all of the gaps are looking good. I am hoping this is the solution.
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Burlyhammer
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 7:53 am Post subject: Re: 1963 15 Window resurrection |
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I started welding in the outer dog leg this morning. The most difficult time I had was getting the proper gap between the dog leg and the B Pillar. This was because the B Pillar had been pushed in from the wreck, and I did not get it as straight as it should have been. I welded the inside flange to the B Pillar, and the front flange to the A Pillar. I am happy with the gaps, and it takes minimum effort to line up the door panel to the dog leg sheet metal. I should be able to get it set up correctly with the inner dog leg in place.
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Black hound
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 12:47 pm Post subject: Re: 1963 15 Window resurrection |
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Sweet lord them lines are nice! A great achievement considering what you started with  |
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Burlyhammer
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: 1963 15 Window resurrection |
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| Black hound wrote: |
| Sweet lord them lines are nice! A great achievement considering what you started with |
Haha. Thanks Black hound. I have been wanting to put these on for a long time. |
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BarryL 
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: 1963 15 Window resurrection |
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| Yeah it's so precision that it reminds me of the old BMW ad where they tilted the BMW and had the marble rolling along all the gaps. |
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BusJunky
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 10:14 pm Post subject: Re: 1963 15 Window resurrection |
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| BarryL wrote: |
| Yeah it's so precision that it reminds me of the old BMW ad where they tilted the BMW and had the marble rolling along all the gaps. |
That was a cool commercial!!
Dave, I used the same method when I put my doglegs in, when I released the straps my gaps opened up slightly. I plan to use a 2x6 placed behind the walkthru with ratchet straps pulling the lower door hinges when I install my floor, straps connected to the board. Pre-measure the gaps you want then open the doors, install the straps and pull it to the gaps you want, weld it out! Either way it looks great, dude!
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Burlyhammer
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 1:50 am Post subject: Re: 1963 15 Window resurrection |
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| BarryL wrote: |
| Yeah it's so precision that it reminds me of the old BMW ad where they tilted the BMW and had the marble rolling along all the gaps. |
Haha. Thanks BarryL |
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Burlyhammer
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 1:52 am Post subject: Re: 1963 15 Window resurrection |
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| BarryL wrote: |
| Yeah it's so precision that it reminds me of the old BMW ad where they tilted the BMW and had the marble rolling along all the gaps. |
That was a cool commercial!!
Dave, I used the same method when I put my doglegs in, when I released the straps my gaps opened up slightly. I plan to use a 2x6 placed behind the walkthru with ratchet straps pulling the lower door hinges when I install my floor, straps connected to the board. Pre-measure the gaps you want then open the doors, install the straps and pull it to the gaps you want, weld it out! Either way it looks great, dude! |
I am going to weld the inner dog leg in this weekend as well as the seat pedestal. I think I’m going to move/reset my rigging first so I have more room to maneuver. I’m hoping for the best. We will see.
Thanks |
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