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Boosten Ya(Josh) Samba Member
Joined: October 26, 2016 Posts: 173 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:51 am Post subject: Re: Down the rabbit hole -- 2276 MS3X Turbo build |
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Beautiful. Coming along nicely cant wait to hear and see it run _________________ 07' Ford Ranger - New DD.
71' Super beetle - prostreet trans 4.10 gear, 1641cc with dual 40 IDFs, W110, and a 1-1/2qt deep oil pan.
Needs: cage, seats, harnesses, better suspension, new wheels, and rear disc brakes.
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theDrew Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2011 Posts: 1155 Location: Camas, WA
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:32 am Post subject: Re: Down the rabbit hole -- 2276 MS3X Turbo build |
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few more details last night
1.5 deep sump (I wanna say SCAT, but I can't remember)
and Jaycee's mag sump plate on (red of course)
I do not run an oil screen
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theDrew Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2011 Posts: 1155 Location: Camas, WA
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 1:09 pm Post subject: Re: Down the rabbit hole -- 2276 MS3X Turbo build |
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wife and kiddo are gone this weekend, so lots getting done this weekend!
set the end play this morning, its fiddly but enjoyable. Shooting for .003-.004.
I'm always paranoid about this, so I'll be checking and re checking it throughout the build.
I always measure at the pulley end, the flywheel flexes too much
its sits at .003 - .0035 and with pressure I see .004. good enough for me!
i'm satisfied, so put in the o-ring and seal
torqued to 400ft/lbs with red loctite
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andor Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2007 Posts: 44 Location: Norway
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 2:00 pm Post subject: Re: Down the rabbit hole -- 2276 MS3X Turbo build |
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theDrew wrote: |
its sits at .003 - .0035 and with pressure I see .004. good enough for me!
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Who so tight?
Are you gong to run a distributor?
Keep it on the loose side is my tip. |
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theDrew Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2011 Posts: 1155 Location: Camas, WA
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 2:20 pm Post subject: Re: Down the rabbit hole -- 2276 MS3X Turbo build |
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andor wrote: |
Who so tight?
Are you gong to run a distributor?
Keep it on the loose side is my tip. |
.003 is min spec, I've always set it to .004.
I'll be running a cam sensor _________________ Turbo 2276 MS3X build http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=673125
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andor Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2007 Posts: 44 Location: Norway
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: Down the rabbit hole -- 2276 MS3X Turbo build |
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theDrew wrote: |
andor wrote: |
Who so tight?
Are you gong to run a distributor?
Keep it on the loose side is my tip. |
.003 is min spec, I've always set it to .004.
I'll be running a cam sensor |
The max spec is more interresting. On a high power turbo engine, I would prefer the extra clearance.
Since you are not using the distributor, unstable timing isn't a issue.
I run .0065 |
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theDrew Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2011 Posts: 1155 Location: Camas, WA
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: Down the rabbit hole -- 2276 MS3X Turbo build |
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John recommended on a turbo build to be between .004-.005, so I re did it to be at .0045. (never hurts to have extra main seals laying around!)
got the oil pump on -- shadek 26mm, o-ringed pump with a CB cover. I lapped the cover to make sure it has a good fit.
pump tang has ~0.250 engangment, so its all good.
now onto the fun stuff -- starting on the exhaust. The CB header's wastegate flange wont fit with my TiAL wastegate, and I want it off of the collector, so started first by removing it. Once I get it in the car, I can start figuring out where it will go.
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Boosten Ya(Josh) Samba Member
Joined: October 26, 2016 Posts: 173 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:54 am Post subject: Re: Down the rabbit hole -- 2276 MS3X Turbo build |
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IMO that is a horrible placement for a wastegate. Kind of hard to control exhaust flow to the turbo if you only control 1 cyl exhaust flow.
Good job on moving it to the collector. _________________ 07' Ford Ranger - New DD.
71' Super beetle - prostreet trans 4.10 gear, 1641cc with dual 40 IDFs, W110, and a 1-1/2qt deep oil pan.
Needs: cage, seats, harnesses, better suspension, new wheels, and rear disc brakes.
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jason Samba Member
Joined: August 07, 2002 Posts: 3444 Location: Garage
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:03 am Post subject: Re: Down the rabbit hole -- 2276 MS3X Turbo build |
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Dont forget the little tin pieces on the bottom of your heads. |
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theDrew Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2011 Posts: 1155 Location: Camas, WA
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:09 am Post subject: Re: Down the rabbit hole -- 2276 MS3X Turbo build |
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jason wrote: |
Dont forget the little tin pieces on the bottom of your heads. |
the ones under the head? they're there....maybe hard to see _________________ Turbo 2276 MS3X build http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=673125
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Dauz Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:32 pm Post subject: Re: Down the rabbit hole -- 2276 MS3X Turbo build |
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Boosten Ya(Josh) wrote: |
IMO that is a horrible placement for a wastegate. Kind of hard to control exhaust flow to the turbo if you only control 1 cyl exhaust flow.
Good job on moving it to the collector. |
Technically, it's a horrible spot. |
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jason Samba Member
Joined: August 07, 2002 Posts: 3444 Location: Garage
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:38 pm Post subject: Re: Down the rabbit hole -- 2276 MS3X Turbo build |
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I meant these,
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theDrew Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: Down the rabbit hole -- 2276 MS3X Turbo build |
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good eye....I do not have those -- musta never been on my original engine way back when. _________________ Turbo 2276 MS3X build http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=673125
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Boosten Ya(Josh) Samba Member
Joined: October 26, 2016 Posts: 173 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:47 am Post subject: Re: Down the rabbit hole -- 2276 MS3X Turbo build |
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Dauz wrote: |
Boosten Ya(Josh) wrote: |
IMO that is a horrible placement for a wastegate. Kind of hard to control exhaust flow to the turbo if you only control 1 cyl exhaust flow.
Good job on moving it to the collector. |
Technically, it's a horrible spot. |
The way CB installed the WG flange? Or moving it to the collector? _________________ 07' Ford Ranger - New DD.
71' Super beetle - prostreet trans 4.10 gear, 1641cc with dual 40 IDFs, W110, and a 1-1/2qt deep oil pan.
Needs: cage, seats, harnesses, better suspension, new wheels, and rear disc brakes.
Almost there.... |
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kangaboy Samba Member
Joined: August 28, 2010 Posts: 1063 Location: St. Louis, Mo
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:07 am Post subject: Re: Down the rabbit hole -- 2276 MS3X Turbo build |
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Boosten Ya(Josh) wrote: |
The way CB installed the WG flange? Or moving it to the collector? |
The way CB installed it. I left mine in the original spot, but my wastegate is kinda tucked inside between the head and the sled tin. It works fine, but seems kinda silly there. I'll prolly chop off the flange and move it to the collector one day like mentioned in this thread. _________________ -74 Standard - "CaliBug" 2084T, MS3X w/FI and Crank Fire
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that fucking thing looks like it drove through a J.C. Whitney catalogue and hit everything on the way out |
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Boosten Ya(Josh) Samba Member
Joined: October 26, 2016 Posts: 173 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:46 am Post subject: Re: Down the rabbit hole -- 2276 MS3X Turbo build |
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Ok that's what I thought.
Do you get a lot of boost creep? _________________ 07' Ford Ranger - New DD.
71' Super beetle - prostreet trans 4.10 gear, 1641cc with dual 40 IDFs, W110, and a 1-1/2qt deep oil pan.
Needs: cage, seats, harnesses, better suspension, new wheels, and rear disc brakes.
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theDrew Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:46 pm Post subject: Re: Down the rabbit hole -- 2276 MS3X Turbo build |
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In CB's defense, there's not a lot of great places to put it with that header. And they want an off-the-shelf header that works, so everythings a compromise. And Pat Downs builds better engines that I can dream of all day long, so maybe its not a problem.
Being an engineer, I'd love to build two headers, one with the WG off of just one of the cylinders, and one with it off the collector and see how that affects things. _________________ Turbo 2276 MS3X build http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=673125
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Boosten Ya(Josh) Samba Member
Joined: October 26, 2016 Posts: 173 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 2:19 pm Post subject: Re: Down the rabbit hole -- 2276 MS3X Turbo build |
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Yeah the main reason is to control exhaust flow to only allow enough exhaust to spin the turbo at a certain rpm. aka positive pressure. By only controlling 1 cylinder the (in this case 4 cyl) other 3 cylinders will push all the exhaust that flows out of the motor and spins the turbo even faster and thus overboost happens.
Just a little explanation. I know most of ya'll know this, but if anyone was wondering why wastegate placement is critical. Now you have an idea. _________________ 07' Ford Ranger - New DD.
71' Super beetle - prostreet trans 4.10 gear, 1641cc with dual 40 IDFs, W110, and a 1-1/2qt deep oil pan.
Needs: cage, seats, harnesses, better suspension, new wheels, and rear disc brakes.
Almost there.... |
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Splitdog Samba Split Personality
Joined: February 16, 2004 Posts: 4125 Location: Planet VW
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: Down the rabbit hole -- 2276 MS3X Turbo build |
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Mine's in that location and works fine. Steady @ 15 lbs. _________________ CH³NO²
Z = z² + C
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Dauz Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 4:10 pm Post subject: Re: Down the rabbit hole -- 2276 MS3X Turbo build |
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Boosten Ya(Josh) wrote: |
Yeah the main reason is to control exhaust flow to only allow enough exhaust to spin the turbo at a certain rpm. aka positive pressure. By only controlling 1 cylinder the (in this case 4 cyl) other 3 cylinders will push all the exhaust that flows out of the motor and spins the turbo even faster and thus overboost happens.
Just a little explanation. I know most of ya'll know this, but if anyone was wondering why wastegate placement is critical. Now you have an idea. |
AKA "boost creep"
edit: my bad.. it was already mentioned. |
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