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AngieB Samba Member
Joined: February 27, 2017 Posts: 135 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:09 pm Post subject: Re: New (Old) Bug owner 1974 Super beetle Karmann question |
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i think is that brilliant yellow. man.. i don't know about it! i like it but it is pretty crazy.
i took a brass brush to the birthdate plate looking for the color code. no dice.
also.. do you know what the other numbers are in the birthday plate?
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Cusser wrote: |
Maddel wrote: |
The color looks like L11C "Brilliantgelb". |
Gelb means yellow. |
I wondered too...
Yet another proof that Germans are color-blind...
AngieB wrote: |
...and i think the color is Ravenna green... |
Yes, much better![/quote] |
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Maddel Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:37 pm Post subject: Re: New (Old) Bug owner 1974 Super beetle Karmann question |
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AngieB wrote: |
i think is that brilliant yellow. man.. i don't know about it! i like it but it is pretty crazy.
i took a brass brush to the birthdate plate looking for the color code. no dice.
also.. do you know what the other numbers are in the birthday plate? |
Here's an article about the production plate: http://www.sebeetles.com/production-plates/
AFAIK not all production plates have the color code stamped in - for whatever reason...
Also the code on the plate is the factory or brochure color code.
This is different to the paint code. E.g.: factory code 18 = gentian blue = paint code L51B
A bit confusing, isn't it... |
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AngieB Samba Member
Joined: February 27, 2017 Posts: 135 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:11 am Post subject: Re: New (Old) Bug owner 1974 Super beetle Karmann question |
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hi everyone. we got the car tuned and it fired up, smokey smokey! but it is now
ideling. this brought up a new question.. where is my temperature gauge. oh i i guess i don't have one.
so we are going to order a dash. and a temp gauge.
where do you guys get parts? i have the mid america motorworks book for body etc. but it doesn't have guages.
thank you! |
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AngieB Samba Member
Joined: February 27, 2017 Posts: 135 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:20 am Post subject: Re: New (Old) Bug owner 1974 Super beetle Karmann question |
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i was looking in the wrong area! haha i didn't look by the rivit! ugh i guess i am tired
Maddel wrote: |
AngieB wrote: |
i think is that brilliant yellow. man.. i don't know about it! i like it but it is pretty crazy.
i took a brass brush to the birthdate plate looking for the color code. no dice.
also.. do you know what the other numbers are in the birthday plate? |
Here's an article about the production plate: http://www.sebeetles.com/production-plates/
AFAIK not all production plates have the color code stamped in - for whatever reason...
Also the code on the plate is the factory or brochure color code.
This is different to the paint code. E.g.: factory code 18 = gentian blue = paint code L51B
A bit confusing, isn't it... |
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Maddel Samba Member
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AngieB Samba Member
Joined: February 27, 2017 Posts: 135 Location: Oregon
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hitest Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2008 Posts: 10296 Location: Prime Meridian, ID
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: New (Old) Bug owner 1974 Super beetle Karmann question |
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This color thing sure has a lot of people scrambling- but just those of you who do not already have a 1974 car that exact color.
Another clue- look at the actual colors with which a Karmann-built, VW convertible was available. Rule out all the crazy stuff that wasn't even sprayed on a regular beetle- let alone a Karmann. There are far fewer listings in paint books for colors that Karmann used. Sargasso green comes to mind- as it was only spayed by them for one year- 1960. Nobody has a paint chip for this color either. A search of Karmann literature is a source of this stuff. Concentrate on colors marketed in America- it is often confusing when looking at colors and codes offered only in Europe- with names only known over there. Brilliantgelb was not offered here, but Ravenna was.
Maddel- excellent referrals! _________________
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I wonder what the nut looks like.
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'62 L390 151, '62 L469 117, '63 L380 113, '64 L87 311, '65 L512 265, '65 L31 SO-42, '66 L360 251, '68 L30k 141, '71 L12 113, '74 ORG 181
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AngieB Samba Member
Joined: February 27, 2017 Posts: 135 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:30 pm Post subject: Re: New (Old) Bug owner 1974 Super beetle Karmann question |
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i'm trying to track down the PO. maybe they can tell me some more info. i've also took a brass brush to the plate and didn't see anything. it's like it wasn't stamped.
i just came in from the shop. (i'll make a video tomorrow) Charlotte is starting to look better.
as far as the paint. i think i'm going to just call it Revenna Green and be happy.
i will also order the birth certificate.
IM SO THANKFUL FOR ALL OF YOU! the help, the answers the direction. makes me happy to be apart of the family. ❤❤
quote="hitest"]This color thing sure has a lot of people scrambling- but just those of you who do not already have a 1974 car that exact color.
Another clue- look at the actual colors with which a Karmann-built, VW convertible was available. Rule out all the crazy stuff that wasn't even sprayed on a regular beetle- let alone a Karmann. There are far fewer listings in paint books for colors that Karmann used. Sargasso green comes to mind- as it was only spayed by them for one year- 1960. Nobody has a paint chip for this color either. A search of Karmann literature is a source of this stuff. Concentrate on colors marketed in America- it is often confusing when looking at colors and codes offered only in Europe- with names only known over there. Brilliantgelb was not offered here, but Ravenna was.
Maddel- excellent referrals![/quote] |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31362 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:11 am Post subject: Re: New (Old) Bug owner 1974 Super beetle Karmann question |
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I would think that looking under held-back window rubber, something in the trunk, or something under the dash would show the original color if different. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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Mikedrevguy Samba Member
Joined: October 15, 2008 Posts: 2237 Location: Medford, OR
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:33 am Post subject: Re: New (Old) Bug owner 1974 Super beetle Karmann question |
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Was it possible to order a car custom painted with a color NOT of VW origins?
Or?
Just wondering. _________________ 74 1303 (RevBug): plan for German Look
76 914 with 2260
79 VW Iltis
69 Bwajaja
"The wise speak because they have something to say; while the foolish speak because they have to say something." Plato
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AngieB Samba Member
Joined: February 27, 2017 Posts: 135 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:37 am Post subject: Re: New (Old) Bug owner 1974 Super beetle Karmann question |
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well i finally got ahold of the PO. he said it was in fact Revenna Green. and he was the second owner (so i'm the third!) and the milage as far as he knows is accurate. so that makes me really excited! |
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AngieB Samba Member
Joined: February 27, 2017 Posts: 135 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:47 am Post subject: Re: New (Old) Bug owner 1974 Super beetle Karmann question |
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thanks for the compliment.
my husbands shop is out of control! 2000sf. wood stove with a lower to heat the place and if you're working under the vehicle, and the floor is to cold just turn them on. each bay has heated floors!
we just need to finish the bathroom. the shower isn't installed yet.
joey1320 wrote: |
AngieB wrote: |
hubs looked at the motor and said it might not take all that much to get it going. i specifically asked if the bungee cord motor tie down was safe and he assured me, in this town it's almost as good as duct tape.. ALMOST! haha
i'm getting new wires and plugs tomorrow.
she's ruff and i know that, but i love her and i have nothing but time. she doesn't have to be a show car to drive to the Beach (but one day she will) |
Although wires and plugs are never a bad thing to get for a "new to you" vehicle, you have a lot of other issues to attend to, some which can easily damage your engine. You engine bay is missing a lot of the air separation tin pieces. These components keep the hot exhaust air/temperature from rising into the engine bay and overheating your "cool air area". If you post daytime pictures looking down onto the crank pulley, we will be able to see what exactly your are missing. All these pieces are readily available and for the most part affordable.
I also see the cylinder head covers to be the chrome ones. Unfortunately chrome reflects heat back onto the source and will cause damage to the cylinder heads. I had chrome pieces on mine and ended up just painting them with high heat black paint. I'm sure you can do that while sourcing/fitting in the new tin pieces.
One thing I noticed on the video at the 2min mark is the battery positive cable/post not being covered by anything, make sure you get the proper battery as stated by another member, which comes with the plastic cover. If not, then you can secure a piece of plywood or an old floor mat to the battery, that way your back seat bottom doesn't go up in flames.
Looking at your video, I see you have your work cut out for you but again, for $500, you can't beat that
Sidenote - Awesome shop/garage, you're into old bugs and you're attractive = hubby has it made. Welcome to the forum!
(Looks over shoulder to make sure wife isn't reading as a type lol) |
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AngieB Samba Member
Joined: February 27, 2017 Posts: 135 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: New (Old) Bug owner 1974 Super beetle Karmann question |
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here are some new videos! these are for the inside. i did paint, and added the sound proofing
she's coming along nicely.
https://youtu.be/OgZSlHOw5VY
https://youtu.be/9UhJUiodAx8 |
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azamy66 Samba Member
Joined: September 10, 2003 Posts: 147 Location: Tempe, Arizona
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: New (Old) Bug owner 1974 Super beetle Karmann question |
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What a great little project Angie. I love the way you are jumping right in. I'm just about finished with a 68 vert that I bought 3 years ago. I bought it as a weekend driver and one thing led to another and I ended up restoring the whole thing. :/. Anyway, it sounds like you are finding good information out there for your project. If you get stuck or need pictures for reference, etc.., my thread is available here.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=588888
During my restoration process I referenced many threads and video links for help. The members on this forum are invaluable resources as well. This is another link you may want to reference as well. It is a restoration of a 68 sedan, but the owner was meticulous at taking pictures and describing in detail the process he took for each part of the car.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=510814
And finally, here is a link to a guy on youtube that takes you thru several videos of his 1970 convertible restoration. If you can get past his accent, you may find some good info there too.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8XKyw4g3Rau4YxDcRhf9QA
Anyway. Have fun and keep us posted on your progress! _________________ "Life is what happens when you are busy making other plans" ~ John Lennon
1965 Java Green Sedan
1868 Yukon Yellow Convertible
2012 Passat SEL Premium PZEV
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joey1320 Samba Member
Joined: September 12, 2006 Posts: 2325 Location: Cleveland, OH
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 6:27 pm Post subject: Re: New (Old) Bug owner 1974 Super beetle Karmann question |
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Nice progress Angie.
Can I recommend three things for the videos?
*Instead of adding the links for them, just put the videos in the post so we can watch them in the forum.
*Also you should numbered the title so viewers have a reference to keep track of.
*And one last thing, can you turn the phone sideways so we get a widescreen format of the video as opposed to vertical? It's just an overall better format.
Have fun _________________ **1971 Super Project
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0 |
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rockerarm Samba Member
Joined: December 16, 2009 Posts: 3552 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: New (Old) Bug owner 1974 Super beetle Karmann question |
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Hi Angie and WELCOME.
I've viewed your videos and will say I'm impressed with your tenacity and "dig in" philosophy. It is commendable to you and spouse to have a shop as seen in the videos. Charlotte will do well, I'm sure.
I'd like to throw some thoughts out here, and I'm confident you have already formulated a plan.
Go over the mechanicals like a forensics' specialist. Why? Viewing what the PO has done in a few areas with the "Magiver Ranger" mentality that needs to be dealt with. Just look at the obvious items with the seat mounting, air filter mounting, hose clamp near alternator's B+, and ignition tumbler/housing.
I would have the battery cable disconnected or at least loose til any/all electrical gremlins are resolved, to prevent and fires/shorts.
Look into the brakes with R&Ring the drums for a complete inspection. Flush the brake fluid. If the trans shifts ok, as you have driven it a little replace the gear oil.
The engine stands to be addressed separately. A correct service to verify its compression/leakdown and crank end play is a start. The standard SOP is plugs, points, valve adj, fuel hoses, fuel filter, air filter, fan belt, etc. Your engine is missing some critical sheetmetal but is easy to replace, providing other items are jacked up that cant be seen via the video/pics.
In one of your vid's you mentioned the fuel leak/vapors in the front trunk. This can be common and an easy fix. This car has an EVAP system for its vapors and there are many components to it. Everything needed is available or easily resolved. If you wish to R&R the gas tank check the gauge sending unit.
One item I noticed was the addition of an electric fuel pump. It might be wise to install a relay from the '76 and later FI Rabbits to control pump.
Hope this helps, Bill |
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AngieB Samba Member
Joined: February 27, 2017 Posts: 135 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: New (Old) Bug owner 1974 Super beetle Karmann question |
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you bet. i didn't know i could add videos. i'd rather them
to not be on you tube! i did that thinking that was the only option. i'll number the vids now. it's all new to me. thanks for the feedback and help
quote="joey1320"]Nice progress Angie.
Can I recommend three things for the videos?
*Instead of adding the links for them, just put the videos in the post so we can watch them in the forum.
*Also you should numbered the title so viewers have a reference to keep track of.
*And one last thing, can you turn the phone sideways so we get a widescreen format of the video as opposed to vertical? It's just an overall better format.
Have fun [/quote] |
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joey1320 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:49 pm Post subject: Re: New (Old) Bug owner 1974 Super beetle Karmann question |
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On the top right of the reply page, there is a YouTube link icon that you can use to add the video to the thread. If you quote this post, you will see the html code for it. It's simple and will keep readers in this page as opposed to switching back and forth between the site and youtube.
Like so -
Link
_________________ **1971 Super Project
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0 |
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Mavans Samba Member
Joined: November 26, 2016 Posts: 117 Location: Charleston, SC
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:24 pm Post subject: Re: New (Old) Bug owner 1974 Super beetle Karmann question |
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AngieB wrote: |
hi everyone. we got the car tuned and it fired up, smokey smokey! but it is now
ideling. this brought up a new question.. where is my temperature gauge. oh i i guess i don't have one.
so we are going to order a dash. and a temp gauge.
where do you guys get parts? i have the mid america motorworks book for body etc. but it doesn't have guages.
thank you! |
http://www.jbugs.com/
http://www.aircooled.net/vw-performance-easy-mods-bolt-on/
http://www2.cip1.com/default.asp
https://www.wolfsburgwest.com/
There are many more.... _________________ Michael
1970 VW Beetle Vert
Previous: 1973 SB Autostick, 1977 Vert |
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Epilog79 Samba Member
Joined: June 04, 2009 Posts: 218 Location: Tigard,Oregon
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:54 pm Post subject: Re: New (Old) Bug owner 1974 Super beetle Karmann question |
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Angie, Great work so far, you are making great strides. Being a fellow Oregonian I hope to see your car make it out to the Northwest Bug Run this summer in Woodburn. Its a a lot of fun and there are tons of cars for inspiration.
As to your question about the front trunk area, I would not paint it a different color. It looked like there was just a little surface rust in the spare tire well. You can take in a sample of your paint and they can mix up an aerosol can that matchs. Some people here on the forums have taken their gas filler doors to the paint shop to use for the match.
I have used a carpet kit from MidAmerica for my front trunk. I like the finished edge banding. Looks neat and tidy and fits well over the spare tire. Unfortunately over time the carpet settles and gets wavy. I've threatened to get a thin piece of hardboard and attach the carpet to it. The original style hard board sets are available.
Great work on the Quick Roof insulation. I did my doors and floors 15 years ago with dynamat. Wish I had known about quick roof then. I still cannot believe the difference. You are right, its a bug, it makes lots of noise and being convertible doesn't add to the quietness. But every time I open and close the door it gives it that satisfying clunk.
To your top dilemma, I had the same issue. Wasn't water tight, had a patch or 2, but I too wasn't going to be driving it in the rain anyway. I kept it that way till I could get everything else done first. With the top down and a nice top boot on, no one will know but you.
For me I started with the bottom and worked my way to the top. Floor pans first, suspension, brakes and wheels and tires. I then enjoyed it for a year, engine was all stock fuel Injection. Next was time to strip the interior out again and have the top taken off and the car painted. Last to go on was the top. As for what kind of top, I put a Canvas style one on vs the standard vinyl. It was a personal choice, but I can tell you that it looks nearly new and it has been 15 plus years ago. Everyone is amazed when I tell them how long it has been.
For the window scrapers and inside window rubber I used the set from West Coast Metric. Like you found out they are not cheap. They are a challenge to put in, but take your time and it goes fine. Lots of lube helps slide some of the window rubber into place.
Anyways sorry for the long winded answers. Keep up the amazing hard work. It will be all worth it. The first top down drive of the spring season is always the best.
Here is a picture of our bug from last years NW Bug Run. |
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