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oniondeluxe Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2014 Posts: 7 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:14 pm Post subject: Assembling the body onto the floor pan |
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I'm considering building a adjustable, computer controlled frame for the Beetle body. It is supposed to be able to tilt and/or rise. But I need some dimensions..
Does anyone know:
1 What is the minimum clearance of the body (with respect to the floor pan) needed when the body should be lowered back to the floor pan, with engine mounted?
2What angles are needed when lowering the body down to the floor pan?
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Keith Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2005 Posts: 3634 Location: Brodheadsville, PA
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:23 pm Post subject: Re: Assembling the body onto the floor pan |
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Trying to understand why you need to go through all the work of building this.
Are you plan on taking a LOT of bodies on and off?
4 people can easily lift a body and it only costs a few beers.
A single person can do it in several different manners. With lifts, hoists, jacks etc.
Lifting and dropping the body sraight up and down on or off the chassis is the easiest method. _________________ Formerly known in the forums as "OVALTEEN"
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DDub Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2005 Posts: 307 Location: central pa.
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: Assembling the body onto the floor pan |
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You must enjoy the effort? I put my split body back on by myself, no glass, doors or fenders. Not a big deal. |
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ZENVWDRIVER Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2008 Posts: 3340 Location: N.E. Oklahoma
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: Assembling the body onto the floor pan |
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... I have a friend who is a mechanical engineer and performs the simplest tasks using his complex mind, to make things work. Most methods he employs really impress me though, but is not the way, I would do it... That's okay as there are many ways to approach everything... my simple mind just lifts things up.
Looking forward to see what you come up with.
... when working alone, I use jacks, 2x4s and pedestals and slowly lift the body off. When it's at 24 inches, I remove the wheels and slide the pan out, pulling with my single cab... then slide a pan in and lower everything. I have always installed an engine at a later time...
strait up, off and strait down on... but more than one way to do everything.
_________________ 5/50, pastel green 11G - SOLD
8/50, gray 11A Beetle
6/52, pastel green 11C - SOLD
11/4/52, black Zwitter - SOLD to my little bro.
1954 Porsche, pre A, with VW 36 horse- SOLD
1/54, black 11C Beetle - TRADED
2/55 Iceland green Beetle, on a 1965 pan
3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
1960 single cab
1962 SO33, with SO 42 interior
9/63 Pacific blue, Ghia
'87 Toyota MR2
'02 WestFORDia E-150, GAVE TO OUR SON
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oniondeluxe Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2014 Posts: 7 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:09 am Post subject: Re: Assembling the body onto the floor pan |
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Interesting feedback....
Well, it will need a lot of work, but beside the fact that I find it fun to build such things, it could be convenient to have:
I don't have the ceiling clearance to install a two pillar lift, which would be the easiest solution. And I would like to have the precision of of repeatedly tweaking the body small distances up and down, for instance when adjusting heater channels fit onto the floor pan. The sway when people are holding the body in the air will be a problem.
So, you say, 24 inches it the required height? Counted from ground level?
Is not any tilt/angle required at all? Even when all equipment is installed on the floor pan? |
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Mr. OGPaint Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2010 Posts: 823 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 10:07 am Post subject: Re: Assembling the body onto the floor pan |
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If you do insist on doing this with a tool, maybe you should do it how the factory did..,the lift points were in the wheel wells. I'm sure someone can post an assembly line photo. I would definitely use the 4 friends method though. _________________ https://instagram.com/mr.ogpaint
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ZENVWDRIVER Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2008 Posts: 3340 Location: N.E. Oklahoma
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: Assembling the body onto the floor pan |
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oniondeluxe wrote: |
Interesting feedback....
Well, it will need a lot of work, but beside the fact that I find it fun to build such things, it could be convenient to have:
I don't have the ceiling clearance to install a two pillar lift, which would be the easiest solution. And I would like to have the precision of of repeatedly tweaking the body small distances up and down, for instance when adjusting heater channels fit onto the floor pan. The sway when people are holding the body in the air will be a problem.
So, you say, 24 inches it the required height? Counted from ground level?
Is not any tilt/angle required at all? Even when all equipment is installed on the floor pan? |
... yes sir, 24 inches from the ground, with the wheels off will allow the pan to be slid out... and no angle is considered for my simple mind... just strait up and strait down... then, nudge the body around, until the mounting holes line up.
I rarely can muster 4 helpers and do most everything utilizing the solo
method.
... below see another solo method, I tried... jacking the body up a little and sliding it off. Man, that was cumbersome and not efficient (to me)... just goes to show, there are more than one way, to do everything... I did it, but not recommended.
_________________ 5/50, pastel green 11G - SOLD
8/50, gray 11A Beetle
6/52, pastel green 11C - SOLD
11/4/52, black Zwitter - SOLD to my little bro.
1954 Porsche, pre A, with VW 36 horse- SOLD
1/54, black 11C Beetle - TRADED
2/55 Iceland green Beetle, on a 1965 pan
3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
1960 single cab
1962 SO33, with SO 42 interior
9/63 Pacific blue, Ghia
'87 Toyota MR2
'02 WestFORDia E-150, GAVE TO OUR SON
All super-heroes, wear a MASK |
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DDub Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2005 Posts: 307 Location: central pa.
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 4:51 am Post subject: Re: Assembling the body onto the floor pan |
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You guys make it look hard. Two 2X8's on piers and ROLL the chassis under, then lower each end. |
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ZENVWDRIVER Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2008 Posts: 3340 Location: N.E. Oklahoma
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:51 am Post subject: Re: Assembling the body onto the floor pan |
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DDub wrote: |
You guys make it look hard. Two 2X8's on piers and ROLL the chassis under, then lower each end. |
... oh, looks hard? Sorry, it's not difficult at all... thanks for your input though
Mr DDub. _________________ 5/50, pastel green 11G - SOLD
8/50, gray 11A Beetle
6/52, pastel green 11C - SOLD
11/4/52, black Zwitter - SOLD to my little bro.
1954 Porsche, pre A, with VW 36 horse- SOLD
1/54, black 11C Beetle - TRADED
2/55 Iceland green Beetle, on a 1965 pan
3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
1960 single cab
1962 SO33, with SO 42 interior
9/63 Pacific blue, Ghia
'87 Toyota MR2
'02 WestFORDia E-150, GAVE TO OUR SON
All super-heroes, wear a MASK |
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Mr. OGPaint Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2010 Posts: 823 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:56 am Post subject: Re: Assembling the body onto the floor pan |
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Here is one way body's were moved at the factory _________________ https://instagram.com/mr.ogpaint
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oniondeluxe Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2014 Posts: 7 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:03 am Post subject: Re: Assembling the body onto the floor pan |
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That's Dreamland....
Do you think you have pics of the corresponding lifting equipment later in the production? Ie when headliner and glass has been assembled? |
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hopkin Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2012 Posts: 2480 Location: Ottawa, Ontario
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:17 am Post subject: Re: Assembling the body onto the floor pan |
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I don't if this will help, but here's some dimension info that was posted a while back here on Samba:
_________________ 1971 Super Beetle (past)
1971 Super Beetle (past)
1974 SunBug (past)
1972 914 (past)
1991 Honda Civic (Original Owner)
1996 'Open Air' Mexican Beetle (current)
2015 Golf (current)
2017 Dune Edition (daughter's car) |
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oniondeluxe Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2014 Posts: 7 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:35 am Post subject: Re: Assembling the body onto the floor pan |
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Great pics! However, the first seem to be a 1958-1964 body? |
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hopkin Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2012 Posts: 2480 Location: Ottawa, Ontario
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:40 am Post subject: Re: Assembling the body onto the floor pan |
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oniondeluxe wrote: |
Great pics! However, the first seem to be a 1958-1964 body? |
Could be, I didn't look at the pictures closely, but I thought they might be helpful as a starting point for you. _________________ 1971 Super Beetle (past)
1971 Super Beetle (past)
1974 SunBug (past)
1972 914 (past)
1991 Honda Civic (Original Owner)
1996 'Open Air' Mexican Beetle (current)
2015 Golf (current)
2017 Dune Edition (daughter's car) |
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Isbrand52 Samba Member
Joined: February 23, 2010 Posts: 55 Location: Ontario,Canada
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:19 am Post subject: Re: Assembling the body onto the floor pan |
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A bare body I just slide a 2X4 thru door opening just in front of B piller, a strap over roof attached to an ATV winch on ceiling. Straight up One person. To put body back on pan I put two 10mm engine studs in floor pan under back seat one on each side and two in front on body at front of body at front cross member right in front of your feet. These guide pins align the body to pan correctly One person and its on Maybe someone can use this method Works for me Thanks Bob |
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obieoberstar Samba Member
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oniondeluxe Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2014 Posts: 7 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:22 am Post subject: Re: Assembling the body onto the floor pan |
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That was really cool! Now, we are getting closer. |
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