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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2017 6:23 am    Post subject: Re: A new spin on a SAH 1.8t conversion, 5 speed!, Quattro!! Reply with quote

heres a view from underneath. The video quality is poor, but ok try to do it over with better focus.



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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2017 4:50 am    Post subject: Re: A new spin on a SAH 1.8t conversion, 5 speed!, Quattro!! Reply with quote

ALIKA T3 wrote:
this truely deserve the Vanagon Porn award Laughing


Yes it does!
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 3:46 pm    Post subject: Re: A new spin on a SAH 1.8t conversion, 5 speed!, Quattro!! Reply with quote

Thanks for the comments guys,






The original 2wd cluster was not going to work because now there is an axle where the speedo cable used to poke through the hub. The stock Syncro cluster will not work because there is no speedo drive on the front diff being that it is an Audi rear diff.




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We used one from a Passat...


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We matched the mileage to the original cluster, corrected the fuel gauge to work properly with the Syncro sending unit, shut off the ABS, Air Bag warning lights, coded out the low brake pad warning and low washer fluid warning lights. I had to remove the MSD tach signal converter box that the SAH kit had integrated into the wiring to make the ecm work with the stock tach. The cluster gets input from the VSS sensor on the rear diff and sends a speed signal to the ECM.
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 5:08 pm    Post subject: Re: A new spin on a SAH 1.8t conversion, 5 speed!, Quattro!! Reply with quote

here's a better underbelly video......


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*check out the comments on the last one, HELLENIC VANGON, who is a member here tells me I'm doing it all wrong....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQcXmZLu-XM


HELLENIC VANAGON
HELLENIC VANAGON1 day ago
Impressive!

Now the question is why to do this when, the Steyr Puch Syncro system, especially on a t3, especially with it's dual lockers, (and some light modifications, where and if needed), is better than Quattro.

You are welcome at: vwsyncro.eu , when you can find, between others, some comparisons, Syncro/Quattro, Syncro/Haldex.
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HELLENIC VANAGON1 day ago
Of course, the comparisons here do not fit exactly, because they are for front engine cars, with the main drive at the front and the secondary, (VCT), drive at the rear.

In the case of the Vanagon, the Syncro system, with a payload of, (about), 1 ton, the ideal drive is as it is, with the rear main drive through gears, (and not VCT), which means, the more you load it the more traction you have, vs a VCT, which has a lower potential to transfer the torque, as this inadequacy is obvious to a Eurovan Syncro.

On the other hand, what is a Vanagon Syncro without "Gelande" gear?
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Andrew flint1 day ago
Better? Maybe for your use it is better. A lot of guys don't used their Syncros for heavy off-roading and want the advantage of Quattro for use in the snow or rough gravel or fire-roads to get to a great camp-site. The big advantage is now it uses the easily available and affordable 5 speed transmission. No more searching for the stock syncro transmission, they are getting very expensive and hard to find. Also it has very nice gearing for highway use.
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HELLENIC VANAGON1 day ago
Here: http://www.vwsyncro.eu/p/blog-page_91.html ,you can see some
narrations of two persons who use alternately quattro-syncro, (syncro with edl on the front and free rear diff), cars on snow and, both, have the feeling that quattro on snow is inferior.

There is a technical reason for that, which is that the Syncro system simulates the behavior of a central differential which has the one output, (front or rear depends on the car architecture), always locked and the second output locked at the extend needed and when and where is necessary. This behavior is tremendously efficient in all the cases without exceptions.

Quattro system has no solid connection to the one, primary, axle, as Syncro does, and this is already a bottle neck for the transfer of the torque/power. On the other hand, as you can see in the videos of this link, under specific circumstances, cannot decide to send the power where is really needed.

In order to have better gearing for the high way you can, easily, change some gears, in conjunction with a high power motor, not only for the economy but making them stronger, too.

Now if the Quattro is cheaper, o.k., this is a good reason to choose it.
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HELLENIC VANAGON1 day ago
Forgot to mention, as a matter of historical fact, that the Steyr-Puch Syncro vw, (Steyr: a synonymous for the construction of military vehicles), tested against the first Quattro, the Iltis, when presented to the German army, and its capabilities, as a 4x4 vehicle, found to be much higher than those of the Iltis.

Syncro's t3 superiority against Iltis is even today found in various videos walking around.
Andrew flint
Andrew flint1 day ago
Maybe it is not for you, I've been using this system on my own Syncro for the past 3 years and 20k miles, I'm very happy with it.
HELLENIC VANAGON
HELLENIC VANAGON18 hours ago
Your work is really unique and it is nice that you are happy with it.

Keep going!
sueddahtf
sueddahtf9 hours ago
Right, and do you know how much a Syncro costs in the US? Maybe in Greece they are giving them away but here they are closer to $30K. The US only got about 5000 Syncros. And even if you have one, the parts, especially transmissions, are becoming very difficult to find. And then you are afraid to use them because you are afraid the parts will break. So this guy turned his van into a reliable 5-speed 1.8t AWD, one where he can now get cheap and reliable parts very easily, for around $10K and you are saying he should just go get a Syncro? You are either ignorant of the US market for these vehicles or ignorant in general.
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HELLENIC VANAGON8 hours ago
"Ignorant in general" looks nice.

I' ll choose it.

Thank you.
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 5:40 pm    Post subject: Re: A new spin on a SAH 1.8t conversion, 5 speed!, Quattro!! Reply with quote

Great comments from the peanut gallery.....

This is the same kind of obstinent resistance to change that must have exasperated German tank crews while they were being lectured by the mechanics about doing it the correct way and waiting for new parts while the Sherman's and t-34's were being repaired by cannibilizing and hacking together repairs to keep 'em fighting.

Good ole American ingenuity........ works every time.
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 6:33 pm    Post subject: Re: A new spin on a SAH 1.8t conversion, 5 speed!, Quattro!! Reply with quote

Andrew's been doing it all wrong for so long that it almost seems right, now.
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 9:02 pm    Post subject: Re: A new spin on a SAH 1.8t conversion, 5 speed!, Quattro!! Reply with quote

If this is wrong, I don't wanna be right. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 3:48 pm    Post subject: Re: A new spin on a SAH 1.8t conversion, 5 speed!, Quattro!! Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:53 pm    Post subject: Re: A new spin on a SAH 1.8t conversion, 5 speed!, Quattro!! Reply with quote

I've had a few fellows ask about swapping their accelerater pedal to the one used on later VWs and Audis that hinge on bottom like the stock Vanagon one. I'll try to do a write up on how to do it in a separate thread at some point.


Here's the one from the MK4 used with the SAH 1.8t kit....


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Here is a side by side of the two....


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Here is the late style one installed...



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The MK4 one ends up at an uncomfortable position for a lot of people, me included. It feels too far close to the seat compared with the brake and clutch pedals and too high off the floor for a comfortable feel.









here's a night time view of what the new gauge cluster looks like....




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And here's a welcome feature when you run it low on fuel.....




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And, some bling....



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:21 am    Post subject: Re: A new spin on a SAH 1.8t conversion, 5 speed!, Quattro!! Reply with quote

xoo00oox wrote:
Dyno Soar wrote:
I have been lurking on these threads and just have to say I love it.

I am the proud owner of the 2.1 5 speed late vanagon or Caravelle as we call them. I am just looking to replace the boxer engine with a AGU 1.8 20v Turbo on the stock 5 speed. I may look into a Peloquin diff and AT tyres.

I can't find a reasonably priced Syncro but would really love one of these beasts.

Good work.


Hi Dyno Soar, thanks for your comments. What year is your van?



First of all I am really sorry about the late response. Just been stupid busy.

I have 1989 Caravelle GL 5 speed 2.1 which I am going to install a 1.8t AGU code 20valve.

I have always loved the Syncro but getting one for decent money is crazy. So looking at these threads you have with keen interest.

Out of interest if you ever needed a Audi Allroad let me know as I am in London England and these come up. I am looking for a LS3 or LY6 engine and automatic transmission for my 55 Chevy. Perhaps we can do a trade? Smile

Seriously let me know. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:30 am    Post subject: Re: A new spin on a SAH 1.8t conversion, 5 speed!, Quattro!! Reply with quote

Did anyone else count off "uno, dos, trés…" when they saw that?

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