1944 VW type 82e on Ebay

[Joe 20]

Anybody notice the 1944 type 82e on Ebay for $525,000? Wow...

eBay item number:122398293887

http://www.ebay.com/itm/122398293887

[favguy]

Fascinating to see a survivor like this, but it somehow feels tainted by the sheer greed of people like this seller trying to cash in on the VW scene.

[Telephunken]

you have to consider three things before people judge the price; first, one of the rarest wartime models, largly in OG "patina" condition; second, its owned by A celebrity, so that always ads extra hype and price; and third and most importantly, the documentation included showing that it was delivered to non other than the offices of Goehring. that alone is what makes this car so special. i for one think its priced fairly.

[VWKDF]

Looking at the pictures it appears the chassis is black or dark grey. I thought it would have been tan. Does anyone know?

Tim

- still wondering about early chassis colors

[Ian]

First off, this car belongs to Jesse James who is a good person and he is in the community, he just keeps a low profile. He is a great guy and I have a lot of respect for his work and his talent.

Let's talk about the car.

I don't think the interior is "100% original" as stated. I believe this car would have originally come with cloth interior as leather was very scarce in Germany during WW2 especially towards the later part of the war. Can anyone confirm?

I love the history behind this car and that it is documented carefully.

Now, the price, yeah it's extreme, but this is literally a piece of world history, the one and only planet Earth. I am stoked on the price and it makes me GLAD to be part of the VW community, not ashamed or embarrassed. Step up or step out, when it comes to cars like this. I hope people will realize the true impact that the VW car has had on the entire automotive existence. If it were not for the VW of WW2, many other cars would have never been produced. Folks seem to have forgotten that when these things were originally being made, there were no massed produced cars in Europe.

It's not like it's some clapped out hippie Baywindow that someone is asking $45k for .

Hermann Goering is on the right in an SS uniform leaning over the model and crate in this picture. The car for sale by Jesse was Goering's personal KDF per documentation.

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[splitjunkie]

Pretty amazing car.

EDIT. In looking more closely at that pictures it looks like the blue grey paint is peeling off the tan paint so tan is the original color.


Personally I don't think the price is out of line. There are so few of these early cars around, especially in such relatively unmolested condition and when you consider what some other rare classic cars go for this would be somewhat of a bargain. If the provenance of the original owner is legit that adds to the value. I don't know that the current owner would add any value or not but it certainly wouldn't hurt it.
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[splitjunkie]

Given who this car was purportedly built for, they would have found some leather for the interior. However I have no ideal whether that interior is original. I also believe the chassis were usually tan.

The headlights have green trim rings, the hubcaps and tail lights are chromed which you wouldn't expect from that period. There again given who that car was built for, some of those changes could have been implemented at the factory.
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[Telephunken]

Ian if you read the description carefully he stated that the paint on the inside is 100% original not the entire interior. seats and door panels are clearly not. and I agree with everyone else I don't think the car is overpriced giving the providence of being a car that was delivered to goring makes it a piece of history. its a super rare car, additionally it is rare to find such a car in mostly survivable condition, plus it's owned by a current celebrity, and with the history of who it was sent to, etc., etc; its the triffecta. if people can get 300,000 at an auction for a fake 23 window bus this car is worth every penny. Helll, I would be 1000 just for the documents even if the car did not exist anymore!

[Telephunken]

I actually think Jesse describe the car very well he stated all the small details on the outside which are not correct such as the chrome lights and caps etc. The headlights look to be in the west units probably look at it recently. He's obviously not trying to indicate that it is all correct, he's only stating that all the original panels are to the car, basically all the important stuff is correct to the car whether it has been altered, painted, or whatever.

[sunroof]

The price seems high to me but the market will decide, it is after all, one of one. It is unlikely we will find out what it goes for but I would sure like to know!

Don
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[Mr. OGPaint]

Who cares about the price, let's discuss the car. Amazingly rare car, thanks for sharing. I'm a little creeped out knowing who owned it though.
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[Ian]

[Dan Hiebert]

By 1944 Goering was quite large, and would not have fit in the car. Nor did Goering drive himself at all during the war - he was the #2 or 3 furher at various stages throughout the war, and he would have ridden in a more opulent vehicle, all of the 3rd Reich's field marshals were issued a Mercedes. Goering was also quite vain. Note that there is a veiled disclaimer, the car was issued to Goering's office, not to him personally. The 3rd Reich's foreign minister's (von Ribbentrop) Mercedes didn't go for more than 250K from what I recall (auctioned 10 or so years ago, I think). Knowing history and being told history to pad a price are two different things. A noteworthy car, no doubt, but not a treasure.

[Rhysos]

Astonishing that this car is still around let alone up for sale! Never expecting to see a car with such historical provenance up on eBay - would have thought this would have a better chance at selling at a high profile auction, like Sotherbys. The added advantage would be the inevitable media coverage ahead of such an auction that would hype it up to a wider audience!
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[VWKDF]

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[aa390392]

Im in awe of the car.just taking in all the pictures, Im on a shared tablet, can someone please save the pictures to theSamba gallery, so that we can have them when the car is gone. Thanks
Cheers Thomas
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[jays58s]

Would fixing the rotted areas hurt the value?

[al-staire]