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KollynnBlackpaw
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 Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: "Blue" '72 Square build from a newbie. |
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It may be a 1970 model. What's the third digit of the VIN? If it's a zero that signifies 1970.
If it's a 1970, you'll need a "C" ECU instead of a "B".
I also meant to mention, before you try to start it, read the "How to get your FI Type 3 running after it's been sitting" thread:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=624072
This will help to prevent fires, since that fuel line is likely all rotted and will leak once it's pressurized to 28 psi. |
Oh yeah, I won't even touch the thing without replacing the hoses - I KNOW they're rotted just from looking! The original idea they had was to replace it with a carb kit. I have dual carbs off of my old parts car I sold - I just don't have intakes and a setup for the fuel presurization yet.
In the end I'll take what I'd like and sell this one off too more likely than not. I'll include the carbs because I know a carb setup interests a lot of Type 3 drivers these days, and they're nice carbs too.
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Mike Fisher
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:34 am Post subject: Re: "Blue" '72 Square build from a newbie. |
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I have been hoping to hear that you bought a brown Type 3 Bentley manual and got the brakes etc fixed on your "Blue" '72 square?
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KollynnBlackpaw
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:47 am Post subject: Re: "Blue" '72 Square build from a newbie. |
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| Mike Fisher wrote: |
| I have been hoping to hear that you bought a brown Type 3 Bentley manual and got the brakes etc fixed on your "Blue" '72 square? |
I've had the brown one - just haven't gotten that screw out yet! Not had as much time with my restoration job having a lot more work for me. If it's nice this weekend I wanted to try again, I got some new extractor bits that will hopefully do the job.
If they dont I'll have to figure something else out. Other than the brakes he runs well still.
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Mike Fisher
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: "Blue" '72 Square build from a newbie. |
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Did you get a drill bit & extractor bit set or a set of extractor bits? Are they left hand thread extractors? Twist the smallest left hand bit in there & the buggered piece will back right out and Blue will be 'back on the road again'. 
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KollynnBlackpaw
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| Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:42 pm Post subject: Re: "Blue" '72 Square build from a newbie. |
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Sorry it's been a while, guys. Been on the road for thanksgiving week, just got back last night! Arizona sure is a change from Oregon.
Once the weather is slightly better out I'm jumping on the chance to get the brakes on Blue fixed.
In the meantime - I've already sold the new squareback. I know, right? I'll be putting the money toward the bus probably anyways. Selling it for a bit more to a gent that seems to have better skills and time than I will, so I'm sure it'll be in good hands! He seemed really interested and I was pleased when he actually made it down same day all the way from Castle Rock WA.
He's going to keep the FI, provided I grab him the PC and the bottom of the back seat from a guy in Salem that's offered them to me. All around not a bad deal.
I did see a really nice 64 beetle on Craigslist for not much more than what I'm getting out of this, but it's been hit in the rear or I'd go after it  absolute beauty otherwise.
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Mike Fisher
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: "Blue" '72 Square build from a newbie. |
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Buy a big tarp that will touch the ground on all 4 corners with rocks holding it down. Open the door windows now & it will dry out inside. A decent size piece of cardboard is all you need to lay under it. This will be your current workshop, so make the most of it! 
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KollynnBlackpaw
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:20 am Post subject: Re: "Blue" '72 Square build from a newbie. |
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So I've purchased some knockoff Centerlines from my boss - the issue now, that I hadn't thought of, is that they won't go on the rear hubs due to the drums having the two "screw" looking things pointing out against the flat rear side of the centerline design. Does anyone know a wheel spacer that might work for my issue? Doesn't have to come out too far, just enough to go past those two little screws really. The other issue is I have to use the lugs that came with the rims, as they have a sleeve - like design to go in past the rim and hold it in place better. At a loss - I really like the look on Blue! I'd hate to sell them, and the pretty much brand new tires would really help
Oh yeah, and my brakes should be fixed this monday! Boss was in Portland and picked up two rear wheel cylinders for me, and I'll pay him back same day. And I got my license on Thursday (I know, about time  ) so I'll be driving Blue around in no time! We'll also give him a general look over while we're there and make sure he's safe. Maybe if I'm lucky we'll get some metalwork.
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Mike Fisher
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:30 am Post subject: Re: "Blue" '72 Square build from a newbie. |
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You can remove the 2 allen head screws & leave them off as the lug bolts hold the wheels & the drums on. Ford/Chevy/Chrysler etc never used them to hold the drums on. The centerline sleeves/lug bolts/wheels should work without spacers but you better show us pictures of them.
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two 57 oval ragtops sold
'68 Karmann Ghia sold
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:22 am Post subject: Re: "Blue" '72 Square build from a newbie. |
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| KollynnBlackpaw wrote: |
| So I've purchased some knockoff Centerlines from my boss - the issue now, that I hadn't thought of, is that they won't go on the rear hubs due to the drums having the two "screw" looking things pointing out against the flat rear side of the centerline design. Does anyone know a wheel spacer that might work for my issue? Doesn't have to come out too far, just enough to go past those two little screws really. The other issue is I have to use the lugs that came with the rims, as they have a sleeve - like design to go in past the rim and hold it in place better. At a loss - I really like the look on Blue! I'd hate to sell them, and the pretty much brand new tires would really help |
My 36 spoke Shelby rims had to be modified to fit on the rear of my type 3. What I did was start to bolt them on, then removed them (this left marks where the screw heads are), and drilled in those spots with a drill. I think I used a 1/2 inch drill bit, and drilled in about 3/8ths of an inch. I've had them on my car for over 17 years now without any issues. I still need to drill out my matching spare.
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KollynnBlackpaw
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: "Blue" '72 Square build from a newbie. |
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| Mike Fisher wrote: |
| You can remove the 2 allen head screws & leave them off as the lug bolts hold the wheels & the drums on. Ford/Chevy/Chrysler etc never used them to hold the drums on. The centerline sleeves/lug bolts/wheels should work without spacers but you better show us pictures of them. |
Really? The allen head screws are just "there"? Don't do anything? If so that's fantastic news! I wasn't sure what they were for so I didn't want to touch them. I'll throw them on tomorrow when we're in the shop and we'll have to get the wheels off anyways.
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Donnie strickland
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:16 pm Post subject: Re: "Blue" '72 Square build from a newbie. |
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They were put there to hold the drums on while on the assembly line. Other manufacturers use them to hold drums or rotors as well, Honda for example. Although I've noticed lately Honda has gone to using only one screw. Some use little push-on clips over the wheel studs to do the same thing.
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KollynnBlackpaw
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: "Blue" '72 Square build from a newbie. |
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| Donnie strickland wrote: |
| They were put there to hold the drums on while on the assembly line. Other manufacturers use them to hold drums or rotors as well, Honda for example. Although I've noticed lately Honda has gone to using only one screw. Some use little push-on clips over the wheel studs to do the same thing. |
Oh, awesome! That's some exciting news for me, then!
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KollynnBlackpaw
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: "Blue" '72 Square build from a newbie. |
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Brakes have been done! Fairly simple, but I had to use the cutoff wheel on one of the retaining screws for the drum. Every single thing I tried had no effect, I even got to try fire and it did nothing! 
I was gonna ditch em for the centerlines anyways, so no worries there! The brakes will be bled in the morning and the car will be back at my place that night, learn manual over the weekend and be driving the next week! Excitement!
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Mike Fisher
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:27 am Post subject: Re: "Blue" '72 Square build from a newbie. |
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I have used a cold chisel for steel to cut a notch in those goofy drum retainer bolts & get them backed out. Bentley manual says to bleed the fronts first & then the rears last in Chapter 2. I still remember how excited I was when my Dad surprised me with a used Yamaha 80 cc motorcycle when I got my learners permit @ 15.5 years of age & could drive on the streets! 
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KollynnBlackpaw
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: "Blue" '72 Square build from a newbie. |
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| Mike Fisher wrote: |
| I have used a cold chisel for steel to cut a notch in those goofy drum retainer bolts & get them backed out. Bentley manual says to bleed the fronts first & then the rears last in Chapter 2. I still remember how excited I was when my Dad surprised me with a used Yamaha 80 cc motorcycle when I got my learners permit @ 15.5 years of age & could drive on the streets! |
I had seen the section in Bentley, but I'd also been told to bleed rear to front, farthest from the master. I remember something about dual circuit master? Not entirely sure what this means, or which method I need to do.
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Mike Fisher
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: "Blue" '72 Square build from a newbie. |
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I always follow the Bentley instead of random 'mechanics'!
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KollynnBlackpaw
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: "Blue" '72 Square build from a newbie. |
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| I always follow the Bentley instead of random 'mechanics'! |
Rear-to-front was off VW-Resource, plus the master mechanic at work, too, said farthest to closest. But if what we've done so far doesn't work we'll try front to back.
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:59 pm Post subject: Re: "Blue" '72 Square build from a newbie. |
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| Mike Fisher wrote: |
| I always follow the Bentley instead of random 'mechanics'! |
What Mike was getting at, is that Bentley/VW called out for disc brake equipped cars to have the right front caliper bled 1st, followed by the left caliper. Then the right rear brake, followed by the left rear brake. The idea behind this was to get the fronts done first because the amount of fluid in the caliper, plus the movement of the brake piston is larger than the rear wheel cylinders.
Also, when bleeding the rear brakes, you want to tighten the adjusters to "lock" the rear wheel first, then bleed, then back off the adjusters 3 clicks. Your parking/hand/emergency brake cables should also be adjusted so that it (the handle) rises from the floor 3 clicks and the rear brakes should stop the wheels.
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64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Mike Fisher
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| Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: "Blue" '72 Square build from a newbie. |
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I was telling a guy on facebook about this & a random "VW mechanic" told us to throw our Bentley manuals away! 
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KollynnBlackpaw
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| Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: "Blue" '72 Square build from a newbie. |
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| Mike Fisher wrote: |
| I was telling a guy on facebook about this & a random "VW mechanic" told us to throw our Bentley manuals away! |
What a joke! If it weren't for Bentley, I wouldn't even be nearly this far.
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