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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:13 pm    Post subject: Re: 003 Automatic Type 3 in Baywindow: No shift / No fluid pressure. Reply with quote

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So you were right about the cause, cool. Thanks for pointing out your mistake so others can learn from it. We all make mistakes.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:39 pm    Post subject: Re: 003 Automatic Type 3 in Baywindow: No shift / No fluid pressure. Reply with quote

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Steve,
So you were right about the cause, cool. Thanks for pointing out your mistake so others can learn from it. We all make mistakes.


Thanks. I have learned a lot from this forum so hopefully I have written this situation clearly enough so someone in the future can reference this and not make the same mistake. Probably the chief concern for me is that I thought I was doing the work correctly, so I had no reason in my mind to question any of the steps.

Somehow, when I did this the first time, I either got super lucky or I actually did do it right, but for the life of me, I cannot recall how I did the work that day. That was something like two years ago and my life is pretty busy.

I'm thinking about a cut and paste of most of this and adding it to the Bentley notes for future reference.

I reached out to German Transaxle up in Oregon as well as Chris Morrice in Oakland. Just have to wait to find a good pump.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Automatic transmission:no fluid pressure, no shift, damaged pump Reply with quote

I reached out to German Transaxle up in Oregon as well as Chris Morrice in Oakland. Just have to wait to find a good pump.

I wish I knew where to send you. My transmission guy just does manuals I think. You could call him though, nice guy.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Automatic transmission:no fluid pressure, no shift, damaged pump Reply with quote

Thanks! I'll do that. The 003 is not well supported anymore... getting really tough to find parts.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 4:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Automatic transmission:no fluid pressure, no shift, damaged pump Reply with quote

If you post up exactly the part number you need I will keep my eyes out. I know some people off the grid with huge stashes of parts. I could ask around for you.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 4:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Automatic transmission:no fluid pressure, no shift, damaged pump Reply with quote

Try this guy. If he shows out of stock, leave him a message.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Automatic transmission:no fluid pressure, no shift, damaged pump Reply with quote

You guys kick ass... Cool From my rebuild pictures four years ago... (really? four years? WTH?)

Xevin, I see the P/N as 003.321.247, but maybe that is just the oil pump case part number and not the assembled pump number...?

Tcash, I got all excited by that link! I do see a slightly different part number on his, which could be critical. I sent him an email with four pictures. Let's see what goes on with that.

Arrow German Transaxle tells me that the oil pumps from the 003 and the later 010 are not interchangeable.

Idea Chris Morrice has a Type 3 automatic transmission and will be looking into its condition.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Automatic transmission:no fluid pressure, no shift, damaged pump Reply with quote

Is it worth pulling yours out and seeing if the damage can be repaired ?

Hell you could weld the driveshaft in, nothing to lose ?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Automatic transmission:no fluid pressure, no shift, damaged pump Reply with quote

Trust me, I have considered that. I think it would be great if I could just replace the impeller. Welding is not likely an option. I think the impeller is cast aluminum and the driveshaft is stainless or higher carbon steel, but more important I would like this done as best as possible.

Naturally, if the parts simply are not available, then I will have to find some slippery slope to rollerskate down.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Automatic transmission:no fluid pressure, no shift, damaged pump Reply with quote

Wasted, I have a parts transmission that I can compare pump part numbers on. However, I'm in Pismo right now playing with the Baja in the dunes. Give me a couple of days and I'll check to see if the pump will work for you.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Automatic transmission:no fluid pressure, no shift, damaged pump Reply with quote

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Wasted, I have a parts transmission that I can compare pump part numbers on. However, I'm in Pismo right now playing with the Baja in the dunes. Give me a couple of days and I'll check to see if the pump will work for you.


Sweet! Looking forward to hearing back from you. Enjoy the dunes!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Automatic transmission:no fluid pressure, no shift, damaged pump Reply with quote

Update: I pulled the pump out and definitely punched the Oil Pump Driveshaft right through the impeller, ruining the impeller. It is broken in several pieces.

And there is another odd/ironic twist to this tale, but more on that later!

Exclamation Good news: Multi69s has a replacement pump for me, and he is only 25 miles away. Cool There is also an automatic transmission supply house I will stop by in the morning to see if I can get just the impeller. I thought I ruined the pump, but I was easily able to remove the impeller, so maybe it can be replaced instead of the entire pump. But I doubt it... these are really obsolete transmissions.

I took several pictures and will post this week.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Automatic transmission:no fluid pressure, no shift, damaged pump Reply with quote

Total surprise today in that TransParts Incorporated in Fresno had a pump out of an 010 series automatic and the impeller fits into the 003, so I have reassembled the transmission. The 010 pump is shorter than the 003, so it is not a direct swap.

Not sure if I could have picked a hotter afternoon to do this kind of work... Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Automatic transmission:no fluid pressure, no shift, damaged pump Reply with quote

So the guts are interchangeable between the 010 and the 003 pumps? That's some great info to know. Of course you had to pick 110 degree days to do your work. I'm out there with you working on one of my many projects.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Automatic transmission:no fluid pressure, no shift, damaged pump Reply with quote

Multi69s wrote:
So the guts are interchangeable between the 010 and the 003 pumps? That's some great info to know. Of course you had to pick 110 degree days to do your work. I'm out there with you working on one of my many projects.


Thanks for the offer of your pump. It was just a total stab in the dark and a last minute idea to stop by Trans Parts Inc. Can't believe they had what I needed, and neither could they. Automatic transmissions from the 1970's isn't what pays the bills at the parts house these days!

Ain't this Valley great in the summer? I probably went through a gallon of water this afternoon. So much sweat got in my eyes, it felt like gasoline sometimes. Laughing

Looks like the 010 pump is just shorter. I took some pics, and will post later.

Arrow I got it all back in place today but can't find the baggy of parts to attach the shifter to the transmission. But I was able to manually shift it into forward... and it wanted to move the bus! I'm totally stoked. Cool

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:54 am    Post subject: Re: Automatic transmission:no fluid pressure, no shift, damaged pump Reply with quote

I can feel the heat from your posts coming through the internet...nasty out there. You guys do realize deserts are Gods' way of saying " don't live here" ?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:45 am    Post subject: Re: Automatic transmission:no fluid pressure, no shift, damaged pump Reply with quote

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I can feel the heat from your posts coming through the internet...nasty out there. You guys do realize deserts are Gods' way of saying " don't live here" ?


Oh, yes. It's true. Just can't seem to afford to live near the better places where my job is. Laughing

However... I still have not forgotten the summer of 1987 where we had keep putting pieces of plastic and rubber in the campfire to try to keep most of the mosquitos away during the humid Biddeford, Maine summer. THAT was gnarly.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:48 am    Post subject: Re: Automatic transmission:no fluid pressure, no shift, damaged pump Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Automatic transmission:no fluid pressure, no shift, damaged pump Reply with quote

The bus continues to defeat me. Laughing

I have lost the special bushing and bolt that connects the transmission shift lever to the shifter rod assembly. Everything else was tagged and bagged and in the box for this project. But those parts came up missing. So I spent a bunch of time dicking around making up hardware. Sheesh!

So... I got it running and shifted into Reverse, and it went! Then Drive, and it went! Then back again... to discover the right front caliper is seized. Same problem several years ago which got me into the huge brake job. But it's been sitting for something like two years, so go figure...

Then... the friggin' worn out ignition switch has finally given up the ghost. Naturally, I cannot find the one I bought from Bus Depot about three years ago to replace it. I can't get the little bastard out, either. I followed the Bentley procedure, but I think although I have a 1973 bus, I wonder if I have an earlier model lock. I found this thread tonight; mine looks just like this:

http://www.specialpatrolgroup.co.uk/spooky/barrel/barrel.html

I have both joy and pain... Joy because the transmission wants to work again, and pain because deferred maintenance has cock blocked me.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:05 am    Post subject: Re: Automatic transmission:no fluid pressure, no shift, damaged pump Reply with quote

Is the Caliper seized in the open or closed position? You said it happened before, what is / was the condition of the pistons?
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