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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:59 pm    Post subject: crank triggers why arent they being run when they are superior Reply with quote

This question surrounds crank triggers.Thanks in advance to all that can shed some light.

My question or questions are which is better crank trigger or 40 year old brand new distributor.

I believe the question is obvious.But being so obvious then why is it not so widely used.

I recently checked out the spec for vw drag racing and you guys can also check it out.The rules ALLOW crank triggers.

With that being said and everybody knows they are better.Why are they not being used so widely.

I have seen say 10 wicked turbo cars both street and full race and they all run the basic MSD 8485 distributor.

We all seen it grey top and red MSD wires.

But if we all know crank trigger is clearly better why is it not used.

Is there something to the equation that im missing.


reason I say is that i too am building a turbo and wanted to go megasquirt.But it sounds scary like there is a bunch of stuff needed to set timing on a basic say MICROSQUIRT.

If all the fuel injection people say it is easier to set up better than any distributor they are used widely on all current cars both foreign and domestic.

and we all know the million dollar question which is clearly better crank trigger or 40 year old brand new distributor.


so we all know the answers.

The why is a crank trigger set up that runs 300 dollars not being put in effect by vw drag racers across the usa and world wide.

MSD 8485 will set you back 300 plus wires plus coil plus shipping plus tax plus profit.

why is the choice the opposite.is it just monkey see monkey do
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:30 pm    Post subject: Re: crank triggers why arent they being run when they are superior Reply with quote

Because it's easier.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:18 am    Post subject: Re: crank triggers why arent they being run when they are superior Reply with quote

Also some people like the stock or stockish look. Simplicity of 3 wire hook up is still the king.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:39 am    Post subject: Re: crank triggers why arent they being run when they are superior Reply with quote

Crank trigger is fun. But it's certainly not easier and a lot of people hate wiring. People are even scared of it.

Everytime I need to change my timing I need a laptop... But I don't really ever have to do that so...

I'm with ya!

It however does not look period correct, but I kind of like have a Ford coil in my engine bay. Henry Ford II is probably rolling in his grave, the sacrilege.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:48 am    Post subject: Re: crank triggers why arent they being run when they are superior Reply with quote

If you want to talk simple - why doesn't anyone run magnetos? They were all the rage in drag racing VWs in the '60s and '70s. Now none, nothing, nada.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:53 am    Post subject: Re: crank triggers why arent they being run when they are superior Reply with quote

I'll go crank trigger on mine with CB's set up as I also get a rev limiter as well.

All sites have their quirks, I think nothing but Dizzy's are a thing of this site. Tons of people are running electronic, the type 3 forum on here will be more positive about it than the performance section.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:55 am    Post subject: Re: crank triggers why arent they being run when they are superior Reply with quote

If you are running carbs a crank fire is so grossly overkill. The accuracy of the two systems do not match. A carb is nothing more than a controlled fuel leak. Putting a crank fire ignition on an engine with carbs is like putting a lazar gun sight on a rubber band slingshot.

When drag racing and above 3000 you are at full advance all the time and the distributor does nothing more than a switch. There is no difference in my ET when I switched from a 009, 034, or 050. With an MSD system you also have RPM controls and rev limiters.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:01 am    Post subject: Re: crank triggers why arent they being run when they are superior Reply with quote

When i want, crank trigger and EFI I drive my Subaru.

I like carbs and points. I drive a car designed in the 1930s and it has a "charm" that modern cars don't.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:15 am    Post subject: Re: crank triggers why arent they being run when they are superior Reply with quote

For what its worth:

Im using all stock ford ignition on my turbo build. Everything I've used so far comes off of a 1991-95 ford escort 1.9L

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:56 am    Post subject: Re: crank triggers why arent they being run when they are superior Reply with quote

One damn good reason not to is because the aftermarket is stuck in 1994 land everything operates based on a serial port, computers made in the past ten years do not have a serial port and USB to serial adapters are rife with fail.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:05 am    Post subject: Re: crank triggers why arent they being run when they are superior Reply with quote

Krochus wrote:
the aftermarket is stuck in 1994


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:05 am    Post subject: Re: crank triggers why arent they being run when they are superior Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:19 am    Post subject: Re: crank triggers why arent they being run when they are superior Reply with quote

Glenn wrote:
When i want, crank trigger and EFI I drive my Subaru.

I like carbs and points. I drive a car designed in the 1930s and it has a "charm" that modern cars don't.


^^^^ This. ^^^^

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:56 am    Post subject: Re: crank triggers why arent they being run when they are superior Reply with quote

Glenn wrote:
When i want, crank trigger and EFI I drive my Subaru.

I like carbs and points. I drive a car designed in the 1930s and it has a "charm" that modern cars don't.


Yep. I'm finishing a setup for my 1303, fuel injection and Hall-effect distributor. It' s made for driving. But every now and then, I look at a 25 hp. engine, and it has an esthetic appeal my modern stuff can't match, like a nice watch or sewing machine. And the distributor is secondary only to the carb as "icing" on the cake: this little piece of fine precision machinery, all beautiful in it's minute intricacies... Add age, and patina, and provenance, it's hard to replicate.

I don't have anything old, but I wish I had an oval I would keep it totally stock...

Deep down, I wish I could justify using one of those gorgeous 010s..
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:57 am    Post subject: Re: crank triggers why arent they being run when they are superior Reply with quote

It's funny that people complain about the quality of distributors but also complain about crankfire (the systems are usually from the 90s tech...) not being period correct or being too accurate...

I mean come on now... Maybe the best system is the one that works. I like having megajolt but I also didn't mind having a svda.

If ignition systems should be judged based in their to function with various engine conditions... Obviously there would be a winner.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:07 am    Post subject: Re: crank triggers why arent they being run when they are superior Reply with quote

Krochus wrote:
One damn good reason not to is because the aftermarket is stuck in 1994 land everything operates based on a serial port, computers made in the past ten years do not have a serial port and USB to serial adapters are rife with fail.


But really.... You only need serial port to tune.... For everyday running you do not need to have laptop connected up you are supposed to be looking at road not computer screen... And in drag race its not like "Fast and Furious" you don't have time to adjust "tune" while hurtling down track..... And serial port is reliable, it's the WINDOWS computers it has to connect to is the problem...

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:07 am    Post subject: Re: crank triggers why arent they being run when they are superior Reply with quote

I also choose the ford crank trigger ignition.
But then again my app aint normal either.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:18 am    Post subject: Re: crank triggers why arent they being run when they are superior Reply with quote

vwkirb wrote:
It's funny that people complain about the quality of distributors but also complain about crankfire (the systems are usually from the 90s tech...) not being period correct or being too accurate...

I mean come on now... Maybe the best system is the one that works. I like having megajolt but I also didn't mind having a svda.

If ignition systems should be judged based in their to function with various engine conditions... Obviously there would be a winner.


Yeah... Funniest thing today (for naysayers) is almost every engine manufactured today in auto and truck industry uses crank fire, wonder why its so bad.... Oh and where are the carburetors....

For those who want to live in past, its OK we understand your fear of new and better things.... You can go back to smoke signals for communications, you don't need computers, tablets or cell phones...

And just wait till "new" SMOG rule come out, its going to take thousands of old VW off the streets unless you clean them up by going EFI and CT ignition... Don't argue point, just wait, its a matter of time...

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:44 am    Post subject: Re: crank triggers why arent they being run when they are superior Reply with quote

Dale M. wrote:

And just wait till "new" SMOG rule come out, its going to take thousands of old VW off the streets unless you clean them up by going EFI and CT ignition... Don't argue point, just wait, its a matter of time...

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Why would you need to clean up the emissions on a 40+ yr old vehicle with technology that wasn't available when car was produced? That's stupid.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:02 am    Post subject: Re: crank triggers why arent they being run when they are superior Reply with quote

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Dale M. wrote:

And just wait till "new" SMOG rule come out, its going to take thousands of old VW off the streets unless you clean them up by going EFI and CT ignition... Don't argue point, just wait, its a matter of time...

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Why would you need to clean up the emissions on a 40+ yr old vehicle with technology that wasn't available when car was produced? That's stupid.




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