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slalombuggy
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 Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 1:12 pm Post subject: Worlds Fastest Aircooled VW |
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Mike Fischer's Ghia, driven by Dan Lawson just went 180.1 mph at the Mojave Mile event. Powered by a 2.7L naturally aspirated, injected Pauter engine running on alcohol. This is now the fastest ACVW of all time surpassing even Hans Dahlbach's monster Bug record of 175 set in Europe in the 90's
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Evil_Fiz
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| Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: Worlds Fastest Aircooled VW |
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Congrats to the team.
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Keith
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| Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: Worlds Fastest Aircooled VW |
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Are you talking of any event or just this one? Paradise Express did 191mph in 2001 and 200mph in 2002 in the 1/4 mile.
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slalombuggy
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| Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 10:05 pm Post subject: Re: Worlds Fastest Aircooled VW |
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| Keith wrote: |
| Are you talking of any event or just this one? Paradise Express did 191mph in 2001 and 200mph in 2002 in the 1/4 mile. |
In a "stock" bodied car, not a rail
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Keith
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| Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 10:13 pm Post subject: Re: Worlds Fastest Aircooled VW |
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| slalombuggy wrote: |
| Keith wrote: |
| Are you talking of any event or just this one? Paradise Express did 191mph in 2001 and 200mph in 2002 in the 1/4 mile. |
In a "stock" bodied car, not a rail
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I can see that, your terminology of "worlds fasted ACVW of all time" is what was confusing. What you meant is that it is the "Worlds fastest stock bodied ACVW" , got you.
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slalombuggy
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| Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 10:32 pm Post subject: Re: Worlds Fastest Aircooled VW |
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I Don't really consider the rail an ACVW there's absolutely nothing VW in the car, but that's my opinion. The Ghia is going for 200mph + at Bonneville this year on a course that is twice as long as Mojave. Hopefully I can make it down again this year to run something.
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Keith
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| Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:04 am Post subject: Re: Worlds Fastest Aircooled VW |
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I can see your opinion.
Some might argue that since the Ghia has a Pauter engine, that isn't a VW engine, it isn't the fasted ACVW because it isn't doing this with VW power. Just like you say that Paradise Express isn't because isn't using a VW engine either, or body. I guess it is all about perspective. To be clear, I'm not
arguing it isn't the fastest ACVW because of the engine.
Either way, that Ghia is fast as hell and it is a full bodied aircooled VW getting it done, regardless of what's pushing it. A true accomplishment and something to be proud of.
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Starbucket
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| Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 3:45 pm Post subject: Re: Worlds Fastest Aircooled VW |
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| The question should be is it a real body or a plastic look alike. Those two strengtheners along the top make me wonder. I wonder if the weight is logged for the run. |
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KGCoupe
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| Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:46 pm Post subject: Re: Worlds Fastest Aircooled VW |
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| Starbucket wrote: |
| The question should be is it a real body or a plastic look alike. Those two strengtheners along the top make me wonder. I wonder if the weight is logged for the run. |
I doubt that those are "strengtheners" on the roof.
My guess would be that they work in conjunction with the larger "fins" on the rear fenders to guide the airflow more cleanly over the body. |
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slalombuggy
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| Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: Worlds Fastest Aircooled VW |
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| Starbucket wrote: |
| The question should be is it a real body or a plastic look alike. Those two strengtheners along the top make me wonder. I wonder if the weight is logged for the run. |
It's an all steel original body, not fiberglass. The roof rails are not stiffeners. They are there to guide the air straight back off the car and give the car straight line stability. Bob Stahl uses similar rails on his 156mph LSR Beetle and I have seen them on other cars at Bonneville. They seem to be more prevalent on cars that have curved roofs.
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KGCoupe
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| Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 6:42 am Post subject: Re: Worlds Fastest Aircooled VW |
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Out of curiosity and on a loosely related note, which Karmann Ghia fron end do you suppose is more "aerodynamic", the early original lowlight design or the later highlight model one?
The difference in drag coefficient between the two would likely be very small, but that small difference could possibly translate into a noticable difference in mph at top speed.
(... at least according to the completely uneducated suspicions that I have on the subject, anyway  ) |
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slalombuggy
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| Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: Worlds Fastest Aircooled VW |
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Surprisingly enough small changes in front ends design don't affect aerodynamics that much. Making small changes on how the car leaves the air are much more important.
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KGCoupe
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:13 am Post subject: Re: Worlds Fastest Aircooled VW |
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^^^ That video of the record run ^^^ is pretty sweet! Thanks for posting the link, John.
(... although I must admit, though, that I'm a little disappointed that you didn't apply some of your usual Photoshop magic filters to the video prior to posting it.  )
What would be really sweet is if someone could now post a video of that record run from the driver's point of view.
While I'm sure that there's plenty of science behind all of the little tweeks that go into the fine tuning of everything to milk out the last little bit of performance, it sure seems like more of an "art" than a "science" to me. |
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WickedWagens
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:43 am Post subject: Re: Worlds Fastest Aircooled VW |
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The roof rails are to spoil the air if the car gets sideways reducing lift. This is how it was explained to me anyways. They are required at 175 or 200 at Bonneville.
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