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Fenix
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 Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:04 pm Post subject: Type one axle shaft question. |
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Finally got around to working on the brakes and axles. Wheel nut was only hand tight, and I was able to simply pull the axle out by hand. No beating or pulley puller required. Is this normal or even possible if it was assembled correctly? Also this came out with the axle...see image. Bearing contact areas on the axle and inside of bearings are smooth and not worn. There is a grease seal in the trailing arm on both ends, axle end was sized for this spacer to fit into. I ask because the books I have did not clearly show this on the shaft.
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Dale M.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: Type one axle shaft question. |
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You need better book...
Dale
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Fenix
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| Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: Type one axle shaft question. |
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| Dale M. wrote: |
You need better book...
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Thats basically the image I found. I have the Haynes, it just says to see a VW specialist for irs bearing change because special tools are needed. I can't find a Bentley as of yet. I figured it was the inner spacer. Is that supposed to come off with the axle or is it supposed to stay in the trailing arm? All the videos I was able to find shows the axle having to be hammered or pressed out with a pulley puller. |
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cbeck
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| Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: Type one axle shaft question. |
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| I have never had to use more than a 2x4 and a hammer. When I assembled my new stubs, bearings, ect it all slid together. Spacer has always slid out with my stub. It should slide right off the stub without much effort. |
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Krochus
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| Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:52 pm Post subject: Re: Type one axle shaft question. |
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If the nut was only hand tight check the splines inside your hub. If they're run very long like that it eats up the softer hub/drum splines fast.
Ball bearing to the inside roller to the outside |
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Fenix
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| Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: Type one axle shaft question. |
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| Krochus wrote: |
If the nut was only hand tight check the splines inside your hub. If they're run very long like that it eats up the softer hub/drum splines fast.
Ball bearing to the inside roller to the outside |
Everything in the arm is tight and look new, though very little grease, and shaft splines are in perfect shape. Only thing wrong with the hub from what I can see is the broken off bolt and easy out broken off in the bolt.
The spacer is frozen to the axle. It won't even turn when it's viced up and I turn the axle nut with a 24" t-bar. I'm getting a new stub I was just hoping the trailing arm was not messed up.
I am still just finding it odd this thing looks to have been completely rebuilt and then parked. Bore camera in the plug holes showed no carbon on the pistons or valves. Oil was still blueish CV joints boots were dry rotted but the grease was still clean and looked fresh. Brake cylinders and adjusters look new and turned out by hand. All after it sat since August of 97.
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cbeck
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:51 am Post subject: Re: Type one axle shaft question. |
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| Archway got me for 90$ for the last german stub I bought from him. I have 4 of them I won,t use. Make you a deal. |
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Fenix
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:35 am Post subject: Re: Type one axle shaft question. |
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| cbeck wrote: |
| Archway got me for 90$ for the last german stub I bought from him. I have 4 of them I won,t use. Make you a deal. |
Sounds like a plan, I'll PM you. |
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Dale M.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:05 am Post subject: Re: Type one axle shaft question. |
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Should come off axle shaft, what its is supposed to do and what it does is two different things... And shop with axle/bearing press should be able to remove it for you... Might have to convince shop person to do it for a 6 pack of adult beverage...
How much of broken bolt is sticking out?... Enough to drop a nut over it and hit it with a little MIG weld?
Dale
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Fenix
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: Type one axle shaft question. |
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| Dale M. wrote: |
How much of broken bolt is sticking out?... Enough to drop a nut over it and hit it with a little MIG weld?
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Unfortunately no. It is broken off about 3mm internal to the hole. The easyout is almost flush, but doubt anything will weld to that. I was actually hoping i could do the punch trick and get the EO to back off so i could just gingerly cut the bolt out in sections with a jewelers saw, but it is SOLID? The EO is actually sticking out the back of the bolt and impacted the "wing" pushing it against the trailing arm. Probably what caused it to break off and what was causing the grinding noise on that axle when I rolled it around the garage. Bearings look to be in good shape, no gouges on the mating surface anyway. They appear to only have 1mm or so of lateral play and spin freely.
Once I get the axles from cbeck I might try and do some work on these as an emergency kit set. But the other stub had 2 bolts broken off in it as well. PO did not have any torque bars on it, so I wounder if he was trying to over tighten the bolts, since all are broke off at about 3mm into the hole. He also only had 4 CV bolts in each of the CVs.
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cbeck
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: Type one axle shaft question. |
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| Don't forget to ask for the cv bolts i won' be needing. |
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Fenix
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: Type one axle shaft question. |
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| cbeck wrote: |
| Don't forget to ask for the cv bolts i won' be needing. |
Sure. I already have new ones I ordered the boot kit than came with bolts, tapered copper washers, and torque bars. But never opposed to extra parts. I learned from my dad...he has 7 CockShutt 30 parts tractors for the 1 running. |
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