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modok
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You have to make sure it's cleaned and oiled, but....how? Can't take it apart, clearances are too tight to pour oil through it, so you have to soak it or something. In a hurry I heat them up in oil and let the oil pull itself in as it cools.
We are assuming whatever oil is on them is just rust protector, and I don't know if it is, but better safe than sorry. ANd IMO, use gear oil. |
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fccperdiem
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:04 am Post subject: Re: Valve ajustment and THIS happens! |
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What does the oil soak accomplish?
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: Valve ajustment and THIS happens! |
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Out of ...jail? Something about self-exposure to the outdoors. 
The Berg swivels have been terrible of late. I have bought several sets before and used them all without issues. Then these newer units had issues w/ the tails coming off like that. They are too brittle -IMO. maybe someone needs to adjust the heat-treating or annealing one of them.
Only option that lasts some time is the Porsche units. Not cheap but absolutely the best. |
My Berg swivels have a slotted end. Empi (junk) have the Allen head ends and cost 1/2 as much as Bergs. Yes, I cried twice (empi junk broke) and went with Bergs. You're supposed to presoak the Berg adjusters in motor oil (for 24hrs or something like that) before installation. |
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raygreenwood
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:49 am Post subject: Re: Valve ajustment and THIS happens! |
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I agree.....and for the record...Virtually none of the "OEM quality" swivel feet adjusters have the Allen wrench adjuster feature.
http://www.autoatlanta.com/porsche-parts/hardparts.php?dir=911-70-73§ion=103-15
Scroll down on that link diagram and click on the part # for #49 and it will bring up three part #'s and Prices...from about $37 each for actual parts from the Porsche dealer...and about $25 for the same part from Mahle which was an OEM supplier of this part and one for about $20 that just lists OEM which is also Mahle or Mahle/Weizman.
There are more than a handful out there of swivel feet....but the OEM build design and construction/material quality are just so much better than anything out there...that if you use swivel feet and need swivel feet and have serious $ and care and time invested in your engine...its just not worth using the cheaper alternatives.
The material and construction quality and design difference is that big. The closest to it are the original Ford/Mazda swivel screws...OEM not knock-offs...and they do not do as well on type 4 but work well with type 1 rockers in stockish cam lift range. Ray |
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bugguy1967
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:31 am Post subject: Re: Valve ajustment and THIS happens! |
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| I can sell anyone here genuine Porsche adjusters for $220 shipped, and 10mm tool steel Elephant Bus adjusters for $97 shipped. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:24 am Post subject: Re: Valve ajustment and THIS happens! |
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| I bought a set or Porsche not long ago - $275 for 8 |
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raygreenwood
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:10 am Post subject: Re: Valve ajustment and THIS happens! |
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| bluebus86 wrote: |
I had some elephant feet adjusters on a type IV, not sure of the supplier, but they were of a poor material choice, the ball end of the screw punched its way thru the foot pad on several of them. soft weak foot pad is my guess. went back to regular adjuters after that. Total junk.
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And.....this is why we spend those stupid prices on the OEM Porsche swivel feet. 
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:16 am Post subject: Re: Valve ajustment and THIS happens! |
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 I bought some T4 heads and the valve stems on some were hollowed out- I think that happens when the valve sticks or floats and the ball rotates off the flat spot and runs on the round bit.-- way prefer elephants feet.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:02 am Post subject: Re: Valve ajustment and THIS happens! |
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I had some elephant feet adjusters on a type IV, not sure of the supplier, but they were of a poor material choice, the ball end of the screw punched its way thru the foot pad on several of them. soft weak foot pad is my guess. went back to regular adjuters after that. Total junk.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: Valve ajustment and THIS happens! |
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| I guess you could just adjust it and tack weld it! Or clean it up good and JB weld it. |
Hey ROCK CRUSHER IS OUT!!!!AND HAS A NEW NAME!!!   the jb kid for sure. |
He still owes me $1,100.00.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: Valve ajustment and THIS happens! |
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Out of ...jail? Something about self-exposure to the outdoors.
The Berg swivels have been terrible of late. I have bought several sets before and used them all without issues. Then these newer units had issues w/ the tails coming off like that. They are too brittle -IMO. maybe someone needs to adjust the heat-treating or annealing one of them.
Only option that lasts some time is the Porsche units. Not cheap but absolutely the best. |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:25 pm Post subject: Re: Valve ajustment and THIS happens! |
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| I guess you could just adjust it and tack weld it! Or clean it up good and JB weld it. |
Hey ROCK CRUSHER IS OUT!!!!AND HAS A NEW NAME!!! the jb kid for sure. |
Damn haven't heard his name in a while. He is from our coast Mark. Pennsyltucky!
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: Valve ajustment and THIS happens! |
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| SamT wrote: |
| I guess you could just adjust it and tack weld it! Or clean it up good and JB weld it. |
Hey ROCK CRUSHER IS OUT!!!!AND HAS A NEW NAME!!! the jb kid for sure. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: Valve ajustment and THIS happens! |
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| I guess you could just adjust it and tack weld it! Or clean it up good and JB weld it. |
    
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: Valve ajustment and THIS happens! |
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I guess you could just adjust it and tack weld it! Or clean it up good and JB weld it.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: Valve ajustment and THIS happens! |
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| I called Gene Berg ENT today and they are going to hook me up. Thanks everybody for the response |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: Valve ajustment and THIS happens! |
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| Looks like that is a BERG setup s |
yep, hex adjsuters, the steel center spacer, head nuts on holding it on. BERG
Stock rockers are not rare AT ALL, so any vw nut will probably give you one for free. I would. but a new swiel adjuster is not free. I think ACN sells singles of the porsche ones, and they should be comparable |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:27 am Post subject: Re: Valve ajustment and THIS happens! |
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This is common when the lock nut is over-tightened. I have even sheared off my share of them before I learned.
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