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akear
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 Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:55 pm Post subject: Not the best start to the day... |
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Never been hit before (this morning, that is)...
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c21darrel
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mcdonaldneal
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1967Ghia
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Location: Toronto, Canada
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: Not the best start to the day... |
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sorry to hear about the accident
are you with hagerty insurance? (they deal with classic cars) |
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akear
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:25 pm Post subject: Re: Not the best start to the day... |
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| This is my daily driver so I have a regular insurance policy but, as c21darrel correctly remembers, I had an appraisal done should something like this ever happen. I was hit so I'm making the claim through the other driver's insurance, not mine. I had the car sent straight to my body shop and I'll stop in to see them tomorrow morning to find out how bad it is. Looks like we'll probably be looking for a donor front corner at least. Did I mention how perfect it was and that it had never been hit? Ugh. |
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slalombuggy
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: Not the best start to the day... |
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Hope you weren't hurt too bad, that's all that really matters. The damage doesn't look too bad so hopefully you'll be enjoying your car one again soon.
When we head out in our classics all we can do is be as vigilant as possible and hope for the best. Sorry to see this.
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sputnick60
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bhartwell59
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:06 pm Post subject: Re: Not the best start to the day... |
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looks like the front axle beam is okay... is that the case?
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fes
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: Not the best start to the day... |
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Goddamit..I was not having a good feeling about clicking on this thread,
That's an example of a supermodel with a very bad black eye..
I hope the repair goes well for you and good luck
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FullFender
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:06 pm Post subject: Re: Not the best start to the day... |
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Wow, that really sucks man. As other have said it looks to be fixable, but it could have been much worse not that what happened wasn't terrible. Sending my wishes your way.  |
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sactojesse
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:34 am Post subject: Re: Not the best start to the day... |
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So sad to see.  Over 20 years ago, I had similar damage done to my former '69 ghia by a hit and run driver who made a left turn in front of me and then left the scene. I ended up buying a used fender from House of Ghia and having it welded on. Best of luck getting it fixed.
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J1
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:19 am Post subject: Re: Not the best start to the day... |
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On the upside, your Datsun roadster may be happy to get more road time.  Glad to hear the damage was only on the car.
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kurt912
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:35 pm Post subject: Re: Not the best start to the day... |
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Sorry to see this, hope it's back on the road soon.
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akear
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: Not the best start to the day... |
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Thank you everybody for the sympathy and PMs with offers to help. I really appreciate your concern and this community. I was not hurt, so no worries there. Sactojesse, what happened to you is exactly what happened… driver turned left into me (at a 2-way stop, we both were on the thru street). Luckily, my driver stopped. But get this… according to his insurance agent, he claims it was MY fault! I just got off the phone with his agent; after giving my side of the story and sending photos of the accident scene, his insurance has just agreed to cover. The agent asked if I had a collector car policy, because he said he could only cover fair market value and my policy would need to cover the rest. I said “no”, but that I had an appraisal done which showed FMV for about $16K, and to that he said “oh, then there should be no problem if the repair cost is under that.” So lesson… get a good appraisal, regardless if you have a collector car policy! So now I just have to worry about getting it all back together. At least things are not as bad as with this Morgan, which is in the waiting room at my bodyshop with mine. Yikes!
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Ff0Si8z-KsiCMm27...04-h903-no
And in the meantime, J1, the Datsun is washed and ready to roll!
One question for this group, which I will ask my appraiser too… What do you think the difference in value is between a pristine, never been in an accident car, and a pristine, been in an accident but perfectly repaired car? |
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Glenn 
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: Not the best start to the day... |
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That really sucks. Ghia's have beautiful compound curves and repairing them is not cheap or easy.
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1967Ghia
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: Not the best start to the day... |
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| akear wrote: |
Thank you everybody for the sympathy and PMs with offers to help. I really appreciate your concern and this community. I was not hurt, so no worries there. Sactojesse, what happened to you is exactly what happened… driver turned left into me (at a 2-way stop, we both were on the thru street). Luckily, my driver stopped. But get this… according to his insurance agent, he claims it was MY fault! I just got off the phone with his agent; after giving my side of the story and sending photos of the accident scene, his insurance has just agreed to cover. The agent asked if I had a collector car policy, because he said he could only cover fair market value and my policy would need to cover the rest. I said “no”, but that I had an appraisal done which showed FMV for about $16K, and to that he said “oh, then there should be no problem if the repair cost is under that.” So lesson… get a good appraisal, regardless if you have a collector car policy! So now I just have to worry about getting it all back together. At least things are not as bad as with this Morgan, which is in the waiting room at my bodyshop with mine. Yikes!
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Ff0Si8z-KsiCMm27...04-h903-no
And in the meantime, J1, the Datsun is washed and ready to roll!
One question for this group, which I will ask my appraiser too… What do you think the difference in value is between a pristine, never been in an accident car, and a pristine, been in an accident but perfectly repaired car? |
i think it all comes down to how good the repair is... take for example all the rare lowlights on here... they may have never been in an accident but they are some that are so rusty pre-restoration that they have more metal replaced then if they were in a 10 car pileup... and they are still with a fortune because of the amazing job everyone here does restoring them =) i wouldn't worry about the accident affecting the value as long as the repair is done properly
and you should get another appraisal done after the repair |
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KGCoupe
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:00 pm Post subject: Re: Not the best start to the day... |
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One question for this group, which I will ask my appraiser too… What do you think the difference in value is between a pristine, never been in an accident car, and a pristine, been in an accident but perfectly repaired car? |
Good luck getting a definitive answer to that question! 
I think the fact that the Ghia has now been involved in a previous accident would be more important to some potential future buyers, and less important to others.
My own personal opinion is that when it comes to value, what really matters is the condition of the car at the time of sale.
Truth be told, a car that has been in an accident and then was carefully repaired using high quality repair panels, materials and techniques may actually be in better overall shape than a similar car that had never been hit.
Case in point - there are those cars that have been "restored", and then there are those cars that have clearly been "over-restored" and are now better than when they left the factory.
At the time of original production there was just so much time available to spend on each Ghia, so regardless of just how extremely talented the factory craftsmen may have been the car could only be "so" good.
However in the right and capable hands that are given whatever time may be necessary, a Ghia can be made "perfect".
I believe what it really all boils down to is this - the car is worth what a serious potential buyer is willing to pay for it. |
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Karly
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:42 pm Post subject: Re: Not the best start to the day... |
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| akear wrote: |
One question for this group, which I will ask my appraiser too… What do you think the difference in value is between a pristine, never been in an accident car, and a pristine, been in an accident but perfectly repaired car? |
I don't think you have to be concerned, there aren't a great deal of ghias on the road now that are accident or rust free..with the youngest ghia being 44 years old most would have been involved in some kind of fender bender or needed significant rust repair. The most important thing to worry about here is getting good quality body work done because if its done right no one will know your ghia has been in an accident.
Poor body work then yes that would play a role in value.
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tommu
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:27 pm Post subject: Re: Not the best start to the day... |
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That's such a sad sight to see. Glad you're ok.
Mine's on Craigslist right now at a 'good' price and I'm local to you. Might be helpful for comps? FWIW AAA decided to cover mine for $24K on the collector policy. Which was a surprise!
Linky:
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/6055285334.html
Edit: Out of interest - which bodyshop are you trusting for this repair?
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BulliBill
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| Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:53 am Post subject: Re: Not the best start to the day... |
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So sorry to hear of your accident. It makes all of us vintage Ghia owners cringe a little. Most importantly, I'm happy that you weren't physically hurt. That Coupe can be fixed.
I have my '70 Coupe (which I bought it way back in 1974) insured with Grundy Worldwide for a "agreed policy" value of $15,000.
Is that Ghia wood-slat roof rack an original VW item, or are those Ghia roof racks reproduced. I have an NOS rack in my basement that I've never installed, and yours looks great on your car. I may have to make mine "not-NOS" one of these days!
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