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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:26 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

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^^^ I agree, hemming it up to meet the apron I believe actually draws more attention to the lack of uniformity between the two fenders.


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Even my non-expert metal and body eyes can see that in all it's miss matched uniformity.

I will say it's was disheartening to hear your feedback about these fenders was brushed off when you communicated with the makers of these fenders.

I'm glad there's so many of us VW folks that find this kind of substandard quality of new and EXPENSIVE VW parts unacceptable. It's simply not ok that we have to deal with so many crap parts these days.

Maybe Gerson can get these fenders right!


I haven't heard too many complaints about his fronts and those are much harder to make.

When there is a problem he listens and usually corrects them.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:29 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

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^^^I will let David decide the way he likes them best for his vision for his project. Cool

I snapped this shot the day I did my side by side comparison to share with the maker but never got far enough in our dialog to share it with him. It was explained to me that they where made this way on purpose so I dropped it. This is a shot of the both pinned down evenly on the lay out table, (Here is the shop We consider this a Dramatic deference)

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As I have stated there are differences from left to right but they are very minor. Stuff that you would have to measure to find. That right ther is not within spec on any planet.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:43 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

^^^ Well fellas At this point we ar just beating a dead horse for a lack of better terms. I think we can all agree that regardless of how intentional these design aspects where it absolutely not what the public is looking for.

HOWEVER:

I know from the words of the maker when asked about the extreme differences, the answer was ... and I quote “Absolutely intentional” so really, with that said we may as well just drop the continuous raking of the coals and let it be what it is.

For me I plan to just show what we go through to do what we always have done here in the shop and let the results speak for themselves. Shawn’s week rotation is the first Monday of every month so I will be back into the modifications In 2019.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:04 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

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^^^ I agree, hemming it up to meet the apron I believe actually draws more attention to the lack of uniformity between the two fenders.


Shocked

Even my non-expert metal and body eyes can see that in all it's miss matched uniformity.

I will say it's was disheartening to hear your feedback about these fenders was brushed off when you communicated with the makers of these fenders.

I'm glad there's so many of us VW folks that find this kind of substandard quality of new and EXPENSIVE VW parts unacceptable. It's simply not ok that we have to deal with so many crap parts these days.

Maybe Gerson can get these fenders right!


I haven't heard too many complaints about his fronts and those are much harder to make.

When there is a problem he listens and usually corrects them.


I spoke with him on the phone yesterday about them. I’m truly looking forward to using them moving forward.
I was stoked when he was happy to send me out a set of fronts with no grill holes and the buckets left out for me to place properly for a 40’s
My hats off to Gerson for putting so much of himself and his income directly into his company and like chris said , he listens to his clientele and responds accordingly. 👊
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:14 am    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

I found a few photos online that CJ and I will use as our point of reference too help us reach our goal of having them flow like the factory.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:46 am    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

theres no doubt that both front and rear fenders flowed into the aprons beautifully, do what ya gotta do to make it right!


also, maybe Gerson has improved his front fenders but you will need to invest quite a bit of time to make them 'right' as well.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:46 am    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

Im familiar with the first generation batch that came out, I can not speak for this latest run of them although I did do some asking around and the feedback has been good so far.

This is what we started with:

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:15 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

It is nice to be closing in on the metal restoration process, we where very lucky to get our hands on a very nice pair of Oval window doors that we could harvest the skins from. As far as we can tell they are a accurate example of the 47 skins that where just so beat we saw no good way to save them without a mass amount of filler. We started out carefully removing the skins from the oval frames then went onto adding the split window one piece details to the skins. I would love if anyone has any details to be noted before we spot weld them together so that the skins can be as specific to early split as possible. Thanks in advance 👊


We also put to use our new Dent fix machine to do some shrinking on the decklid. Worked very wel. Cool

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:34 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

So it's like torch shrinking but with electricity?, slick!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:48 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

^^^Yes sir. 220v set with a timer 😎
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:49 am    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

I have also done this with a stud gun. Works a treat as Last Triumph would say.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:21 am    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

^^^ That was Our go to in the past for sure man. The big advantage to the Dent fix system is that it is very light to handle and you apply just resting pressure to the panel. The stud gun with a shrinking electrode does the job however you have to put a considerable amount of pressure on the gun into the panel for it to depress into position for enough for it to contact to function, I found that be problematic the majority of the time. I will say the stud gun did get us though to this level and it is a decent way to shrink a panel.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:54 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

The Funky GreenSplit Fenders are here 😎

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:08 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

They look really good! How’s the comparison and fit?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:27 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

The Comparison is pleasing at this point. We will get to fitting them tomorrow and post more pictures.

I’m trying to identify any other details we may want to do to bring them
to the most authentic representation we can.

Observations and suggestions or most welcome 😎
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:41 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

We ordered three sets...

Here is the 51 Standard we are doing. They fit very well, only some fine tuning on the mounting holes in these shots 😎

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:48 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

Fingers crossed....

I spent a fair amount of time comparing the original fenders off the '47 I'm working on to the early oval fender I used to replace the one that was too far gone. Other than the buckets being pushed back all the way to the fender, I didn't find anything else.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:42 am    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

^^^^Thanks for the feedback David. That’s helpful for sure. Overall I’m real pleased with what Gerson has accomplished here with these Fenders. I do foresee us “Fine tuning” them to a degree.

As you guys can see from the 51, they fit a car very well...

I should have some pix later on today of them mounted to the 47, Stay tuned😎
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:52 am    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

has he fixed the lack of shape or 'flatness' on the sides of the fenders? In this picture it looks like not.

can you compare the shape around the headlight bucket? the crease looks somewhat sharp

looks like they fit the body well!


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:52 am    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

sled wrote:
theres no doubt that both front and rear fenders flowed into the aprons beautifully, do what ya gotta do to make it right!


also, maybe Gerson has improved his front fenders but you will need to invest quite a bit of time to make them 'right' as well.


You may be correct friend, They are fantastic for the average end user and the details we change may not be even be necessary for typical build , with that said it is not a secret that we are trying to take this build to the most authentic level we can reach with what is available to us. I’m super pleased with the base product, what we chose to do to them after that is a builder preference in my opinion. The average Joe could bolt these on out of the box and be stoked on them in my opinion... ⭐️
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