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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:03 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

Ok this might seem like and easy one but , is the engine tin screws on the 47 plated dark like the rest of the hardware?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:24 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

I'm not sure on the type of plating, but they should be a separate screw and washer, not the combined "SEMS" screw that they sell now. If you are going for 100% authenticity.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:09 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

Thanks brother ^^^

I think I have decided on Black Zinc for the plating.

I found a highly recommend local joint but they wanted everything you bring them to be diamond shining. 😂

When I recently built tinware for a 51 Pre A I dug deep for the OG stuff and washes.

I guess there is no reason I shouldn’t do it again. I have a sickness with Og hardware. I have buckets and bins of it. 🤪👊
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:32 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

Ok , I took a look back. I guess I kinda cheated 🤪 I got the washers from Wurth.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 9:45 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

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Hey folks so this in this first pic is what was left of the letting on our Summer winter fan shroud.

We are having a heck of a time making it out.

Does anyone out there in Samba land have a good photo so we can have them recreated.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 9:47 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

I have these which are very close the original 25hp tin screws&washers.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:17 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

virtanen wrote:
I have these which are very close the original 25hp tin screws&washers.

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Those would be great Mika…

Take my money. Haha

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:05 am    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

found this photo showing the wording:- sommer / summer - gefrierpunkt / below freezing point
at least the remnants on your shroud give you the position, size and style of the lettering

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:26 am    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

WrennMetallWerks wrote:
Ok , I took a look back. I guess I kinda cheated 🤪 I got the washers from Wurth.

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Those washers are incorrect. The correct ones are flat washers like Virtanen posted, not the spring washers you have.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 7:50 am    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

^^^ I know brother. That’s why I said a cheated a bit. The car still sold for $440,000 so I guess I got lucky this time. Haha
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:02 am    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

finster wrote:
found this photo showing the wording:- sommer / summer - gefrierpunkt / below freezing point
at least the remnants on your shroud give you the position, size and style of the lettering

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This is absolutely wonderful.

I can’t say enough how grateful I am to have members like you willing to take the time to help out.

Thank you very much.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:22 am    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

it's a privilege to help out in any small way I can Jason
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:32 am    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 12:36 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

The rear cardboard and steel carpet rings…

These and the carpet plus the headliner should be in our hands here pretty soon.

Shout out to Wagenmanufaktur for maki g this happened for us.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:06 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

Wow, that original stenciling on the fan shroud is awesome! Are you sure you want to strip it and redo it? You could mask around the writing if you really need to repaint the shroud. It's only original once!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:25 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

Hey man. ^^^

It was basically gone as shown in the photos.

This being s full restoration I don’t see that a as reality unfortunately.

I definitely can appreciate the sentiment though.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:33 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

Understood. But here's an interesting detail. Your lettering is clearly a stencil. The letters are sharply defined, and those with internal openings have small separations--as all stencils do. On the other hand, your own period photo and the one from finster both show hand lettering. The letters are uneven, both in height and spacing, and show no connections to their internal openings. Clearly, at some point the factory realized a stencil was quicker and cleaner than hand lettering--which speaks to the refinement of their production process as the factory got back on its feet after the war. These kind of subtleties make original artifacts uniquely useful as primary documents to the past. Once something is restored, that aspect is lost. A middle ground, of course, is to document, document, document--and you've done that with your photographs and by sharing it here. But I still think there's a case for preserving interesting aspects of originality even in a fully restored project. You could clean and enhance the surviving letters as best you can, mask the immediate area, and feather it into the new paint on the shroud. In the future, should your personal files and documentation become separated from the car, this original detail would remain clear for all to see. As a disclaimer, I admit that I work in a museum.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:55 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

^^^ I’m somewhat surprised that someone so into history…. ^^^

Has somehow overlooked in this thread that the Shroud has been painted already and is ready for its new letting?

Asking for a friend 🤪
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:25 pm    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

Just because I'm into history doesn't mean I'm not inept! Obviously, I overlooked the obvious.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:07 am    Post subject: Re: '47 Beetle resurrection Reply with quote

^^^ on that same note ^^^ : I feel it’s worth mentioning that our car falls into the early category of the very short life span of the S/W shrouds , by your own argument if I saved the “stencil” for the restoration (not a preservation) on the shroud we sourced would it not have most likely been modeled from the later part of the S/W shrouds reign, and then ultimately incorrect for this build

I hope I don’t sound condescending but you spoke with such confidence and authority on the subject.

Additionally you will find in a early portion of this thread a full size photo of a shroud from what is believed to be a 1949 engine and S/W shroud at the end of it life span. It appears to be hand painted from what I can tell ?

Please except my apologies if my understanding of this subject is wrong or out dated.
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