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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:37 am    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

Thanks! The part number matched the cheaper yellow Monroe 34971 Gas-Magnum shock absorber.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

The highway to Boulder was blocked by multiple rush hour accidents this morning, so I took the slow scenic route in, cranked the heater up and pulled off for a bit at one of my usual spots...

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... to quiet a scratchy horn ring with some dielectric grease and reload the handy emergency gas cache...

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...and to lounge in the back to get started on The Personal Memoirs of Ulysses S. Grant (thanks for the recommendation, IdahoDoug) until the route in was clear.

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All the recent drivetrain/suspension work is paying off and I'm really getting to like this van. But the rear end has always seemed to be a bit saggy. I'm going to try throwing the syncro springs off the wreck under there this weekend to see if it levels things off without overdoing it.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

It was time for a spousal focus and appreciation day.
I'd spent way too many nice Fall Saturdays down at the shop recently, stripping parts off the wreck before the cold weather hits.
No wrenching today, just a relaxed Saturday putt'ing around town, just taking some slow time to be together and chat after a long week.

Once we finished the usual morning errands, we took Tunes for a hike up Fowler trail in the south Boulder Open Space at the mouth of Eldorado Canyon.
This is one of our favorite local tails because of the awesome Easter Egg at the end: it drops you right across from the midpoint of one of Eldo's big climbing walls, where you can watch the rock climbers across the canyon doing very scary things

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It was a warm & sunny day and the hike was thirsty work, so afterwards we celebrated our initiative at the dog-friendly Sanitas Brewing, sharing some tasty Black IPAs and green-chili & chicken wraps from the taco wagon there.

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After a couple more errands and some back country road driving, the day ended at one of our usual overlooks,
quiet and warm in the back of the bus, reading books and munching on chocolate chip cookies, while a cold November evening wind blew outside,
Tuna happily mousing in the tall grass next to the bus and the sun slowly setting over the golden prairie.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

Schweet. Thanks for sharing your wonderful day. 👍
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:01 am    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

Thanks for sharing your day and your big beautiful cat.

Tunes would love where I am this weekend Tug Hill area of NY with bear and coyotes yowling all night.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

Cool thread, thanks for sharing. I just went through a similar "project creep" on our van when I wanted to replace some torn CV boots, which turned into all new front and rear brakes (calipers, rotors, wheel cylinders, shoes, and drums), wheel bearings, stainless brake lines, upper front ball joints, oh and yeah rebuilding the axles with those new CV boots. Nothing terribly hard, just a few evenings worth of work in the garage with a few beers.

Are you taking a lot of those pics near Rt 128 in Broomfield near McCaslin? That view looks really familiar as I work in Louisville and go on lunch rides in that area frequently.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:06 am    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

Yes, that's the area.
I really love having this huge scenic expanse, which is so wide open and little used, just minutes from our house in a metro area with almost 3m people in it.

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I'm going to end up upgrading almost every mechanical system on this new van.
I never got my old Syncro into good enough shape to where I'd trust it on a long journey.
After reading all the inspiring extended trip stories here (Thanks, joetiger!), I want to get this new bus up to that level.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

This afternoon's job was upper ball joints.

The steering had become vague and wandering, I could see some play in the ball joint and the other day I heard tok-tok-tok going around the corner from the wheel weight contacting the front brake caliper.
This couldn't wait.

The tapered joint required some real persuasion, first simultaneous hits on two sides with big hammers to try to release the taper, then lots of heat, then the pickle fork and the hand sledge and they finally came loose.

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Fortunately, I had a supervisor, though all the banging woke her from a sound sleep and she found the mapp gas torch scary.

It's nice that she's happy to sit quietly for hours in the van while I work on it, staring out the window or sleeping in the back

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

Purr..... Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

This afternoon's job was to swap in the nice dash and the upgraded heater box (new heater core, new blower motor, relays for the high speeds) that I'd pulled from the wreck a few weeks ago.

The original heater box was in bad shape, the blower motor noisy and giving a whiff of maple syrup, a sure sign of a leaking heater core.
While I was in there I cleaned everything up, lubed the wipers and threw in some sound dampener. It's all back together now.
All I can say is that, while there's nothing particularly hard about this job, it's hours of fiddly work that simply isn't much fun.
The cold weather arrives Monday, this couldn't wait

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Other recent upgrades include installing the e-code H4 main lights I brought back from Germany a few years ago.
The brittle old plastic aiming bits all shattered, so I created a new system using $3 worth of metric nuts & bolts.
I also fitted the LED bulbs that ragnarhairybreeks has been experimenting with in both the high & main positions.
They're relatively cheap and plenty bright, but the light pattern is less even and concentrated than I was hoping.
I have some aiming to do; for the first time ever someone flashed their lights because my lights were too bright.

I'm looking forward to when I have this van to the point where I'm driving it more than I'm wrenching on it.
But there's still a complete front suspension renewal, a gas tank reseal, an engine conversion and a repaint in my future.

Also, Tunes was supervising again, displaying her cat-like demeanor: "I'll look at you, but not AT you."
That said, sometimes when she's looking AT you, it can feel like she's sizing you up for her next meal.
For some reason I like that dent in the window frame, so I'm leaving it be for now.
It serves as a constant reminder of the condition of this van when I first got it.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:31 am    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

Saturday afternoon's job was renewing the front wheel bearings.
They were noisy, loose, unadjustable and exhibited a slight high frequency vibration at speed; this couldn't wait.
This job was easy, very straight forward and well documented here on thesamba.

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Overall it was easy, the only difficult bit was loosening the 115 ft/lb 22mm brake bolts in the confined space.
The yellow extension from the jack handle combined with the long 1/2" breaker bar did the job.

But I did encountered an unexpected snafu with the rotors.
The pair of new rotors I ordered months ago were wrong, so I called our local NAPA machine shop to see if they could machine the old rotors quickly.
"Sure, if you get them here fast. Someone else is bringing a set in and if you get here first, it'll be 1.5 hours, otherwise it'll be Monday"
My son bailed me out by racing the first rotor over to NAPA while I removed the other, which he took over as well.
20 minutes later I got the expected call from NAPA; the old rotors were at minimum and couldn't be machined.
They had a new set at the Denver warehouse and could have them in on Monday.
When asked, they did say there was a pair of rotors on the shelf at another NAPA 30 minutes away.
My son bailed me out again by making the parts run to pick them up.

Once he returned with the new rotors, it was very straight forward installing them.
I was pleasantly surprised to find that the bearing races were already machined into the rotors, I didn't need to press the races in.
I used the nice Mercedes adjustable clamps that djkeev documented to adjust the bearing tightness just right.
There was plenty of meat left on the old brake pads, so I didn't need to replace them.

Ob.supervisor.hard.at.work picture: This shows how much room opens up when the squeaky back cabinets & headbanger are removed.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:39 am    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

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Saturday afternoon's job was renewing the front wheel bearings.
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I was pleasantly surprised to find that the bearing races were already machined into the rotors, I didn't need to press the races in.


I am puzzled by this. Bearing races don't attach to rotors, and bearing races aren't machined into anything. Did you inadvertently delete some if your text?

Good luck with the dash, I need to tackle that someday. Impressed you guys just go after it.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:53 am    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

On mine, the hub and rotor are a single unit, which I was calling "the rotor." It would have been clearer if I called it the "1-piece hub and rotor unit."

And yes, the outer bearing races for both the inner and outer front wheel bearings were machined into the hub portion of the rotor/hub.

It really simplified the job.

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And the dash is easy, just long.
The big clue for the first-timer is don't touch the big phillips head screws below the windshield, they attach the wiper unit and can stay put.

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Saturday afternoon's job was renewing the front wheel bearings.
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I was pleasantly surprised to find that the bearing races were already machined into the rotors, I didn't need to press the races in.


I am puzzled by this. Bearing races don't attach to rotors, and bearing races aren't machined into anything. Did you inadvertently delete some if your text?

Good luck with the dash, I need to tackle that someday. Impressed you guys just go after it.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:58 am    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

Probably left over races from past, if the rotors were remanufactured.

If the surfaces look clean and not blued, run them.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:39 am    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

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On mine, the hub and rotor are a single unit, which I was calling "the rotor." It would have been clearer if I called it the "1-piece hub and rotor unit."

And yes, the outer bearing races for both the inner and outer front wheel bearings were machined into the hub portion of the rotor/hub.


Ok 1-pc .... thx for the pic, that clears up the rotor/hub issue (2wd). But still, rotors are cast iron, soft, rough. Bearing races are precision-ground to tenths of tenths of thous of inch....., of specific metallurgical design, etc etc etc. It can't be one piece. This is like a Twilight Zone,,,, I've never even heard of a new rotor having half-an-old-bearing set leftover. Was this bearing race sand-blasted too? Or maybe I'm missing something else?

Abscate it's not even advisable to mix new bearings and races within new sets. And if you re-install old bearings, you keep them together as matched sets. Mixing new bearings across different mfrs sounds like a recipe for disaster. Mixing new+old is another level. Is anyone doing this (with success?). I suppose if random bearings happened to "match" then that set would run OK, but it sounds like a crapshoot. Where success is really "easy" if you keep bearings together as a MFD set.

Sanchius IMHO you should discard those races from the rotors, and maintain each new bearing set as matched sets (inner race, bearing, outer race). Of am I totally off-base? In that pic you showed, I see the machined bearing land (ready for the new bearing race) but I don't see the outer bearing race.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:54 am    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

Mixing bearing races used to be frowned upon, but enlightenment and tolerance has changed that.

Laughing

I’ve played mix and match withGerman parts and gotten 50,000 plus miles of service but good practices say they should be a matched set,agreed
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

The hub/rotors are brand new NAPA part #4885981 and the description says: Includes Inner Bearing Cup: Yes, Includes Outer Bearing Cup: Yes.
They are installed, working well and I won't have time over the next couple weeks to change them out.
I'm going to run them as a working experiment until they give me a compelling reason to change them out.
But I'll definitely keep the receipt in a safe place.

Suprisingly, thesamba has only encountered these hubs+rotors once before.
It looks like this poor guy received a pair of these and unsuccessfully tried to install the outer races.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

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I'm going to run them as a working experiment until they give me a compelling reason to change them out.


Seeing as it's all up & running that's a good plan. Pretty easy to renew them if any trouble, and if no trouble, then you won anyway.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:12 am    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

Reading that thread it seemed like those races were removable. I can't imagine it's cost effective to machine in bearing races and then harden them in place.

Still, if they adjust in nicely, and run cool and aren't noisy, then good function is confirmed, and I would shift focus to more important things like giant, furry, cats.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:31 am    Post subject: Re: Sanchius and Tuna ride again... Reply with quote

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We have a vintage race this weekend, so the kids, Tunes and I went down to the race shop last night to help get the '61 Jag MKII racer dialed in and prepped.

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I spent last week down at the university in Queretaro, Mexico, and while there were 100's of T2's like this tidy watercooled driving around, there were no T1's or T3's to be seen anywhere.

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Curious where the vintage race was to be!

We went to the RMVR race in Pueblo in June to help a longtime friend running A Sedan (Mike McDonough), then the SCCA Runoffs in Indy in September in support of a friend's daughter (Sabré Cook).

I've spent my lifetime around racing, raced karts 1981-83 and 2001-02 in Colorado and elsewhere, and have mostly been a professional photographer of wilderness and racing since the '70s.

We lived in Lakewood-Golden 1980-2013 so sure know your shots, and have been full-time traveling since. Cool

Congrats on reliving the Westy Dream!
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