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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:33 pm    Post subject: Silly engine will not come out Reply with quote

OK, it will probably just fall out by itself next Saturday, but I thought I'd ask. I have a 1957 Oval with a 1960s E 1300 engine in it. The rear metal tin will not come off since the flathead screws will #@$@%#^!! not turn. All four engine bolts are loose. I am able to wiggle the engine back and forth, but not enough to get it out.

On a newer Beetle I would just cut the rear apron off, but not on an Oval. Are there any more civilized tricks? Should I just cut out the silly tin?

Thanks

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Silly engine will not come out Reply with quote

Are you able to get to the screw heads and possibly drill them out? Or at least cut off the heads and then after everything is out perhaps you could take vise grips and get the shank of the screws out of the engine/tins? Just a thought...
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:34 am    Post subject: Re: Silly engine will not come out Reply with quote

andreasschmieg wrote:
The rear metal tin will not come off since the flathead screws will #@$@%#^!! not turn. Andy

I know how hard it is and sometimes impossible to make those flathead srews turn. That's when using a normal screwdriver.
What I always do (and succesfully) is using something like this :

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Good luck.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:52 am    Post subject: Re: Silly engine will not come out Reply with quote

Impact screwdriver - if the screws are supported in more than the tin.
Otherwise grind/mill the heads away with a pinol grinder and deal with the leftover piece of thread once the engine is out.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 10:54 am    Post subject: Re: Silly engine will not come out Reply with quote

Get those tin screws out by whatever means necessary so you are able to remove that rear tin.
You should try your best to avoid damaging that tin . . . it might have been modified to fit . . . if you can save it, you will not need to modify another piece later! Wink

Another tip for ya . . . remove the exhaust system BEFORE ya try to pull the engine!
Otherwise, when you have the engine ALMOST out, those heat exchangers WILL hit the bottom of your stock firewall and cause you to say bad words! Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Silly engine will not come out Reply with quote

Penetrating fluid on the screws. Vise grip on the screwdriver. A good trick is to first try to tighten the screw - it will often break it loose.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Silly engine will not come out Reply with quote

1. Penetrating fluid
2. Propane torch applied to the screw head
3. Hit the screw head slot straight down with a screwdriver that has a steel shank going through to the handle end. Give the steel end a good bang with a hammer. This provides a "shock" through the screw threads.

All 3 of these will usually free up a rusty screw for me. If the screw starts to turn and then stops due to the screw cooling off, I'll grasp the head with a vise grip and keep loosening it, spraying penetrant as I go. Or as mentioned above, if the screw loosens slightly, spray penetrant and tighten it slightly. You're working the penetrant into the threads so that with the next turn to loosen, the screw should rotate slightly further.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Silly engine will not come out Reply with quote

Vice-Grips on the screw head and start out wiggling the screw before just trying to undo. Apply oil as you work the screw in and out when it gets harder to undo more.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Silly engine will not come out Reply with quote

Use some big vice grips (brand name) with some clean teeth. They'll either come out or break off. It's not the end of the world.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Silly engine will not come out Reply with quote

57BLITZ wrote:
Get those tin screws out by whatever means necessary so you are able to remove that rear tin.
You should try your best to avoid damaging that tin . . . it might have been modified to fit . . . if you can save it, you will not need to modify another piece later! Wink

Another tip for ya . . . remove the exhaust system BEFORE ya try to pull the engine!
Otherwise, when you have the engine ALMOST out, those heat exchangers WILL hit the bottom of your stock firewall and cause you to say bad words! Razz


... lotza' good advice here. And this additional advice is a good one... remove the heater boxes before removing the engine... On all engines, other than 25 or 36 horse, the heater box is too tall and many have to cut the firewall to get the engine in... check your fire wall, first... if not cut already, now you know what to do... your problem might very well be the heater boxes hitting the fire wall.
Since I have no heat, I'd try the best lubricant on earth called In-Force and a vice grip tool... but great advice from others too.
Let us know what you did, please.
... try In-Force and you'll NEVER use anything else... not available in auto stores... I buy at a local shop @ $15 a can.
I think you'll get most of those little suckers out okay. When replacing them use some sort of anti-freeze paste, to avoid any re occurrence.
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