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New2me69
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 Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:02 pm Post subject: Is there a seal here? |
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Just removed my manifold and looking in it looks like the old seal is still there? Am I correct? Or is that part of the head.
Do I need to pick this out before putting new seal in?
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beetlenut
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: Is there a seal here? |
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I haven't worked on a single port before, but that looks like a copper "O" ring that crushes when you tighten down on it.
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pwmcguire
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: Is there a seal here? |
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| Yes, it's copper pick it out and replace it |
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Zundfolge1432 
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: Is there a seal here? |
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They are not always copper here's a few new ones. Look at the new one and notice how it's made, place the open side facing down. Inspect the contact area of intake manifold and lightly polish with 400 Emory paper for a good seal and you may install this seal slightly wet with sealant like aviation permatex Perfect seal no leaks 
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New2me69
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:19 pm Post subject: Re: Is there a seal here? |
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Thanks guys. That's what I was thinking.
Any tips on how to get it out. Pick the only way? I moved on to other stuff while I waited for a response.
Much appreciated.
Got some seized up tin screws to drill out which really sucks.
Figured out a few issues while dismantling stuff back there though. Should run much nicer when back together..................I hope. 
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beetlenut
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:04 am Post subject: Re: Is there a seal here? |
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| New2me69 wrote: |
Thanks guys. That's what I was thinking.
Any tips on how to get it out. Pick the only way? I moved on to other stuff while I waited for a response.
Much appreciated.
Got some seized up tin screws to drill out which really sucks.
Figured out a few issues while dismantling stuff back there though. Should run much nicer when back together..................I hope.
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I just did this yesterday! Those tin screws are hardened steel, and not fun to drill out. If there is any of the screw threads sticking out the back side of the tin, what worked for me was to grind two flats on either side of the remaining screw threads so that you can get some vicegrips to grab on. Then I heated the broken tin screw and surrounding metal, and slowly worked, tightening and untightening the broken tin screw, until it broke loose and unscrewed. No drilling required.
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| Wetstuff wrote: |
| ... I spend more time shaking it than directing it?! I get a pretty decent blast for 8sec. then have to shake it again. |
- Words to live by right there!
My 74 Super rebuild thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6507104#6507104 |
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eashc
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:40 am Post subject: Re: Is there a seal here? |
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| Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
They are not always copper here's a few new ones. Look at the new one and notice how it's made, place the open side facing down. Inspect the contact area of intake manifold and lightly polish with 400 Emory paper for a good seal and you may install this seal slightly wet with sealant like aviation permatex Perfect seal no leaks
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I thought the seals faced up when you install them? |
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Maddel
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:00 am Post subject: Re: Is there a seal here? |
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| eashc wrote: |
| I thought the seals faced up when you install them? |
| Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
| ...Look at the new one and notice how it's made, place the open side facing down... |
He's talking about the "seam" (or splice) of the squish seal ring I guess...
It should face down towards the cylinder head. |
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FeelthySanchez
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:28 am Post subject: Re: Is there a seal here? |
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Pry it up w/ a small flat blade screwdriver, dental pick, etc.
Do not hammer on it.
| New2me69 wrote: |
| ...... Any tips on how to get it out. Pick the only way? |
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I'm not sure how compression works.
Turbos don't produce torque, they produce HP. Instead of torque.
The real problem with NA engines is you don't hear the nice whine of the turbo as it spools up.
Before I commit, I'm going to do more research because I don't really know what piston rings are. |
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beetlenut
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:51 am Post subject: Re: Is there a seal here? |
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If you have a feeler gauge, you could use one of the blades to slip under one side of the old seal and get it started.
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scrapyards are for quitters
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| Wetstuff wrote: |
| ... I spend more time shaking it than directing it?! I get a pretty decent blast for 8sec. then have to shake it again. |
- Words to live by right there!
My 74 Super rebuild thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6507104#6507104 |
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Cusser
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:57 am Post subject: Re: Is there a seal here? |
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| beetlenut wrote: |
| If you have a feeler gauge, you could use one of the blades to slip under one side of the old seal and get it started. |
What VW owner doesn't have a $%&#$%^&$# feeler gauge ?
How the #$^&$$^%&*$$ would they adjust the @$^*^%##%&#@ valves otherwise ???
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mark tucker
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:12 am Post subject: Re: Is there a seal here? |
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| keep all the dirt&grit outa there too.it's a intake crush gasket, not a oil seal. |
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New2me69
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:24 am Post subject: Re: Is there a seal here? |
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| mark tucker wrote: |
| keep all the dirt&grit outa there too.it's a intake crush gasket, not a oil seal. |
For sure. I know that one. Doing the absolute best I can there for sure. |
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beetlenut
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:27 am Post subject: Re: Is there a seal here? |
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| Cusser wrote: |
| beetlenut wrote: |
| If you have a feeler gauge, you could use one of the blades to slip under one side of the old seal and get it started. |
What VW owner doesn't have a $%&#$%^&$# feeler gauge ?
How the #$^&$$^%&*$$ would they adjust the @$^*^%##%&#@ valves otherwise ??? |
Wasn't sure how new school or old school he was. Not much use for a feeler gauge on new engines today. And based on some of the questions on this forum, I'd bet there are some VW owners that don't! 
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scrapyards are for quitters
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| Wetstuff wrote: |
| ... I spend more time shaking it than directing it?! I get a pretty decent blast for 8sec. then have to shake it again. |
- Words to live by right there!
My 74 Super rebuild thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6507104#6507104 |
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New2me69
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:33 am Post subject: Re: Is there a seal here? |
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| Cusser wrote: |
| beetlenut wrote: |
| If you have a feeler gauge, you could use one of the blades to slip under one side of the old seal and get it started. |
What VW owner doesn't have a $%&#$%^&$# feeler gauge ?
How the #$^&$$^%&*$$ would they adjust the @$^*^%##%&#@ valves otherwise ??? |
Wasn't sure how new school or old school he was. Not much use for a feeler gauge on new engines today. And based on some of the questions on this forum, I'd bet there are some VW owners that don't! |
I have gauges. My valves get adjusted. |
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Zundfolge1432
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:34 am Post subject: Re: Is there a seal here? |
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This works well
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Cusser
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