1.8L VW Fox watercooled conversion - Riviera Redux

[Sloride]

Looking good!
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1972 Westfalia - 1.8 VW in-line h2o conversion
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Link to the engine swap:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=565304&highlight=

1964 Ruby Red Beetle

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=705757&highlight=ruby+red

[Franklinstein]

Sloride, I noticed in your build that you did not add the front torque mount. Do you see any significant movement in the engine when you rev the throttle body by hand? I am guessing that it is not a deal breaker to delete it since you are running without it.

I got the new throttle cable mount sorted out. It will need some adjusting for sure but I won't know until everything is hooked up later. Thinking it should work well.

I lifted the engine/tranny to check position knowing that with the new transmission carrier in place and the correct 15 degree engine slant, orientation of things would be a little different than before. I did not expect to see this much difference. Like 4.5 inches higher. The intake manifold wouldn't even fit due to the decreased headspace. I repositioned the old torque stop with grips to get an estimate on how things have moved with the new setup.

I am considering lowering the setup to where it was to begin with. Like some mod to the transmission carrier or adding an extension to the hangers on the bellhousing. Either way I am gonna need to go shopping for steel today.
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1979 Riviera Poptop - 1.8L VW 93' Fox watercooled

Opinions are like A$$holes, everybody has one and yours all stink!!!

[Sloride]

I don't use the front mount. I don't know of anyone who has done this swap that does. I only use the front trans mount and the one on each side of the motor to the rear frame as per the original bus mounts.

I just reinstalled the motor in mine yesterday. Wiring and hoses today.
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1972 Westfalia - 1.8 VW in-line h2o conversion
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Link to the engine swap:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=565304&highlight=

1964 Ruby Red Beetle

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=705757&highlight=ruby+red

[vwwestyman]

Slo Ride-I did a quick check of this thread and didn't see it (but it was real quick, so I maybe missed).

Are you using the two bellhousing bolts in your bus? Can you comment on vibration? Edit: We were typing at the same time! So it appears you didn't.

As I said before, I know I read somewhere more than one person said they had a lot of vibrations with I4 motors, but removing that mount solved them.

Frank-If you do use the two transmission bolts, it seems to me that they would function as a torque stop.

Since you're really wanting to use the transmission bellhousing bolts, I wouldn't bother to add the torque stop mount for now. I'm thinking at least wait until you get it together and running to decide.
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Dave Cook

President, Wild Westerner Club

1978 Champagne Edition Westy, repowered to '97 Jetta TDI
1973 Wild Westerner
My Thing

[tristessa]

[Franklinstein]

I made a bracket to adapt the transmission to the carrier. Welded up some angle iron and tubes. Function over looks! Preserve parts by making it a bolt in application.

It places the bellhousing about 1.75 inches lower than original. The torque snubber on the engine is only slightly higher than before now so everything else should fit in the engine compartment as previously. Now onto the motor mounts. Gonna really try to keep things balanced front to back to protect the nosecone mount since those don't grow on trees.

The good part is that the cylinder head oil pressure sensor fits well so i can run it!

Keeping busy...
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1979 Riviera Poptop - 1.8L VW 93' Fox watercooled

Opinions are like A$$holes, everybody has one and yours all stink!!!

[Sloride]

i think that is going to work out for you just fine. Lowered just enough so it won't drop the engine too low. If it reduces the vibrations at highway speeds I may have to consider it as well.
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1972 Westfalia - 1.8 VW in-line h2o conversion
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Link to the engine swap:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=565304&highlight=

1964 Ruby Red Beetle

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=705757&highlight=ruby+red

[Sloride]

I was looking at your throttle mount and can't picture where it is located.

Here is what I use. I mount it on the bottom starter bolt. Works well but makes for a stiffer pedal than I like and I assume that Is caused by the weaving of a lengthened cable from driver's side over to the passengers.

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1972 Westfalia - 1.8 VW in-line h2o conversion
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Link to the engine swap:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=565304&highlight=

1964 Ruby Red Beetle

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=705757&highlight=ruby+red

[vwwestyman]

You might be able to use that heater outlet again. Looks like there is clearance from here.

Then you can use a water valve tied into the bus' lever to control the heater water temp!
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Dave Cook

President, Wild Westerner Club

1978 Champagne Edition Westy, repowered to '97 Jetta TDI
1973 Wild Westerner
My Thing

[GfunkBus76]

Nice to see some other projects.... been a few years since I've Samba'd... My project has been insured a few times since creation, but I definitely had troubles with my accelerator cables for the mod. Will have to double check how I did it - definitely think I should adapt like you guys have done.

Maybe my bus will drive again...
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Gavin
1976 Westy - Customzation in slow-progress.
-8V TD swap
It Runs! -- http://youtu.be/kT5hOtwiOgk
And drives! - https://youtu.be/rVkoAgeOop0

[tristessa]

When I did the new throttle cable for my new engine I used bulk lined bicycle brake cable housing and a 4445mm Jagwire tandem bike derailleur cable (longest I could find). I put the factory swaged end at the throttle body and used a cable
clevis shackle from carbuildersolutions.com in the UK on the pedal end (https://www.carbuildersolutions.com/uk/cable-shackle-and-pin-assembly). I had to build holders for the housing at each end but nothing too difficult, and made my own adjuster at the TB end of the housing to take up slack. I can go take pictures on Thursday if someone wants/needs them, don't have any handy and am going to be too busy to take any in the meantime...

Works nice and smoothly.

[GfunkBus76]

[raygreenwood]

For what its worth......the kriginal front mount on the I-4 engines in the rabbits and cabrios....was not to damp vibration or hold the engine up per -se......it was to prevent torque rotation that caused shift linkage issues on the original rabbit linkage.

That being said.....when it was going bad....lifespan of the the drivers side engine mount and the one at the trans bottom/back were shorter. It was very hard to drive in stop and go traffic with a bad front mount and nearly impossible with it missing. It caused shjfting issues.

But it was not a hard mount. It was a travel limiter.if you have rigid mounts elsewhere to keep the engine stationary......you should not need the front moumt. Ray

[Franklinstein]

[GfunkBus76]

Nice work. 😉...
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Gavin
1976 Westy - Customzation in slow-progress.
-8V TD swap
It Runs! -- http://youtu.be/kT5hOtwiOgk
And drives! - https://youtu.be/rVkoAgeOop0