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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 9:34 pm    Post subject: Re: New VC gasket, now a much bigger issue Reply with quote

Since the "farm road" VC gasket replacement. I have put another 200 miles on the engine. From Corvalis, Or to home and to Kelso, Wa, for a show today.
I did not see one drop of oil under the engine after hours of sitting.
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 7:02 pm    Post subject: Re: New VC gasket, now a much bigger issue Reply with quote

So I fixed the VC gasket issue. I welded a tab on the inside of the VC and the gasket stayed in place ever since.
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So tonight on the way to work. I get to a traffic signal and scan the dash. I noticed that the oil pressure light in glowing at me again. I pulled over and checked the oil level and it is way above the middle mark. Start the engine again and the damn light is still on. No leaks under the engine, so I can rule out a leaking VC.

At break I went to the car and removed the VDO pressure sensor and the HT lead from the coil and placed a rag below where the sensor should be.
Cranked the engine and had a look. I was expecting to see oil all over the left side of the engine compartment. To my shock there was just a smallish puddle on the rag. I cranked it a bit longer and did get a little shot further away. But still on the shop rag. What should I expect when testing this way?
Anyone ever had a VDO dual pole sensor go bad on both poles?

Looks more and more like a tear down is in my future. Thankfully I have a spare 1500 SP I can install and keep driving.

Any thoughts will be greatly appreciated.
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 7:19 pm    Post subject: Re: New VC gasket, now a much bigger issue Reply with quote

Did the light go out when you revved it up?
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 9:54 pm    Post subject: Re: New VC gasket, now a much bigger issue Reply with quote

turbotype1 wrote:
Did the light go out when you revved it up?

Sadly no it did not go out when gently revved.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:33 am    Post subject: Re: New VC gasket, now a much bigger issue Reply with quote

That truly sucks..... Sorry to hear that news
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:50 am    Post subject: Re: New VC gasket, now a much bigger issue Reply with quote

Just an un-educated .02 Smile , could the oil pressure relief be stuck or somehow not working, causing the low pressure reading?

Good luck and sorry you're having so much trouble with this.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:24 am    Post subject: Re: New VC gasket, now a much bigger issue Reply with quote

Found the problem. Shocked
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I have never had one do this.
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I have had rather high oil pressure. Like 45+ at cruise.
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Can that be the cause of this damage?
Running 10w/30w synthetic. For several months now and until last night other than the VC gasket issue I have been happy.

I suppose I need a new filter pump in order to get good pump gears again.

Bummer!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:39 am    Post subject: Re: New VC gasket, now a much bigger issue Reply with quote

Looks like the shaft spun in the gear and walked out. By that second picture, it looks like a lot. How much space was between the gear and the cover? Engagement depth looks like it was too shallow as well. Set the engagement depth by using a press on the gear shaft. When it's good, hit the shaft/gear with a small tack weld to keep it from walking out or spinning inside the gear.

Hopefully you can get these oiling issues fixed before the engine sufferers too much damage.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:40 pm    Post subject: Re: New VC gasket, now a much bigger issue Reply with quote

67rustavenger wrote:
Found the problem. Shocked

I have never had one do this.
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I suppose I need a new filter pump in order to get good pump gears again.

Bummer!


Hmmm - might that be an oil pump that was made for flat camshaft gear (3-rivet) used in an engine with a dished 4-rivet camshaft gear? Because I've seen that same thing happen before.

The shorter gear from the earlier pump WILL work fine for a while until it wears away like in your photo. For the one I found where this had happened, had run for a few years before it suddenly went out and oil pressure went to zero. The fix for that in that instance was a replacement gear for a dished camshaft pump (scavenged from a new basic oil pump for dished cam that had same gear length).
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:31 pm    Post subject: Re: New VC gasket, now a much bigger issue Reply with quote

What's the slot in the camshaft look like ... beat up?
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